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Mike Spencer
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After reading some of the posts here.. I would like to add my 2 cents worth.... Not looking for someone to dissagree with me as I sure someone will.. But We have The Military Might.. Why not Nuke them... We are probably the strongest Force the world has ever seen .. But we seem to let too much the minority rule.. I am sure that it would open all kinds of can's of worms..But so what.. It just tee's me off.. That we have so many bleeding hart types.. tying our hands.. too many pimply neck geeks who want to be politicly correct... Like its OK to strip search Grandma at the airport.. BUT! infringe on Arab's right's.. we mustn't single out Arab's type? Come on Now!... Too much talk not enough action... just go in do what has to be done to what ever extreem that is nessary.... I believe if we nuked Bagdad.. you would hear a long sudden silence.. from the rest of the Arab world.. If these people has a imediate devastating and sudden response to their actions.... They as the Children they act like would behave.... But as I said this is just my opinion... I am sure their are people who dissagree with me.. But I really don't care... The world is full of Bleeding Hart types.. Regards.. Mike

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Steve Kraus
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Um...who do you plan to nuke, Mike? Entire cities of innocent people? Doesn't that make us as bad as the terrorists?

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James R. Hammonds, Jr
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Oh boy, here we go again.
May want to avoid this thread for a while.

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Aaron Sisemore
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I am hardly the 'bleeding heart' type, but nuking Iraq until it glows is a really bad idea for these reasons:

1. Many innocent people that are 100% AGAINST 'So-Damn-Insane' would die. Not really good strategy there.

2. It is very possible that Saddam could leave Iraq before the strike, once again killing hundreds or thousands of innocent or insignificant [military] people and Saddam sits pretty, unscathed. World opinion of the USA would go south in a BIG hurry if that were to happen.

3. Nuke Iraq, and what happens to all that precious oil sitting there? It either sits there or burns for years. Nobody will buy radioactive petroleum. Another strategic, economic, and environmental blunder.

Nukes aren't the answer here- we need to get some moles in Baghdad, and get the intelligence needed to raid Saddam's bunkers and take him out of power, dead or alive. Get the anti-Saddam people to sieze control of Iraq. Saddam's military is still a fragment of what he had in 1991, it shouldn't be too difficult to go in and take him out, once he is positively located. Change the regime, don't annihilate the country and its resources.

just my .02

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Steve Kraus
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Going back to the thread topic, the WTC collapse, does anyone know if all that scrap steel is just going to be left in the landfill? Seems a terrible waste as it ought to be recycled. If it could be recycled into whatever will be built on the WTC site all the better but either way, I'd hate to see it just go to waste.

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Michael Gonzalez
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Sept. 11: For the record
Posted: 9/11/2002

USA TODAY takes a look at some of the facts and figures related to the attacks and aftermath of last Sept. 11.


The price tag is $700 million to clear and repair the Pentagon. The building cost $49.6 million (in 1941 dollars).

The youngest passenger on the hijacked jets was Christine Hanson on United Airlines Flight 175. She was 2 and on her first trip to Disneyland.

Two-thousand children lost a parent Sept. 11, including 146 who lost a parent at the Pentagon.

The oldest passenger on the hijacked jets was Robert Norton on American Airlines Flight 11. He was 82.

The New York City Fire Department lost 343 firefighters, almost half the number of on-duty deaths in the department's 100-year history.

The south tower collapsed at a magnitude of 2.1 on a seismograph; the north tower collapsed with a magnitude of 2.3, according to Columbia University in New York.

The San Francisco Bay Area earthquake in 1989 had a magnitude of 7.1.

1,444 trash receptacles were removed from Metro subway station areas in the Washington metropolitan area. 400 bomb-resistant trash containers will be installed by Oct. 1, 2002, near fare entrances.

91 baseball games were postponed in the six days Major League Baseball suspended play, the longest postponement, excluding work stoppages, for regular-season games since World War I in 1918.

Sirius, one of the first bomb-sniffing K-9 dogs stationed near the World Trade Center after the 1993 terrorist bombing, died in the Sept. 11 attacks.

Fifteen million square feet of office space was lost at the WTC, more than three times the amount of space at the Sears Tower in Chicago.

1,430 people with 50,000 employees from 26 countries called the WTC "the office."

4,600 Pentagon workers had to be relocated temporarily.

1,337 vehicles were crushed when the towers collapsed, including 91 FDNY vehicles — a little more than half of all the fire vehicles in Louisville.

1.5 million working hours during 261 days were spent removing the debris at the WTC site.

The FBI has assigned more than 2,500 of its 11,500 agents to anti-terrorism operations. 350,000 pages from the CIA and 20,000 pages from the FBI were produced for congressional hearings about possible intelligence failures before Sept. 11. Eleven people shared addresses with at least one of the hijackers. Seven of the 11 were on the FBI's "watch list" and were pilots.

29 Oprah shows focused primarily on Sept. 11 subjects.

The United States has offered a reward of up to $25 million, paid for by the Rewards for Justice program, for information leading to the apprehension of Osama bin Laden. In the three months before Sept. 11, the CIA forwarded 300 names a month to agencies watching for terrorists. In September, the number rose to nearly 1,000; in October, 1,400. It has leveled off to fewer than 900 names a month.

Nearly half of Washington's 25,000 hotel workers lost their jobs in September 2001. Half of those have been rehired.

80 wedding ceremonies were scheduled at the Viva Las Vegas Wedding Chapel from Sept. 11 to Sept. 17. Forty-seven couple canceled.

Eight nationwide call centers staffed by 20,000 volunteers logged 300,000 calls within the first 15 minutes of the Sept. 21 America: A Tribute to Heroes telethon, which raised $112 million.

Kejo, a police and military equipment seller, sold more than 1,000 gas masks in September, up from the usual 100 a year.

The Salvation Army served 3,231,681 meals at the WTC site from Sept. 11 to May 30.

Seven in 10 Americans say they have experienced depression since the attacks. New York State Office of Mental Health estimates more than 33,000 showed symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder.

5,000 wooden crosses to commemorate victims were planted Sept. 23 in Guthrie, Okla., by the Bible Baptist Church.

Entertainers Rosie O'Donnell and Sandra Bullock each donated $1 million to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund.

The monthly revenue for airport limousines a month after Sept. 11 fell from $666 million to $333 million nationally. The average daily take of the Afghan Grill in Edison, N.J., dropped from $1,300 to $100 a month after the attacks.

The week before Sept. 11, Jack: Straight From the Gut, by Jack Welch, topped the Amazon.com 100. The week after, Twin Towers: The Life of New York City's World Trade Center, by Angus Kress Gillespie, was No. 1.

Hasbro reported a 56% increase in G.I. Joe sales after relaunching the 37-year-old action figure this summer. New to the line are the G.I. Joe Search & Rescue Firefighter and the 10th Mountain Division soldier, whose real-life counterparts are now serving in Afghanistan.

48 countries held ceremonies on Dec. 11 to commemorate the victims.

$900 million will be raised by the end of 2002 from the Department of Transportation's $2.50 passenger ticket fee to help pay for aviation security.

More than 100 people affected by the terror attacks carried the Olympic torch on its way to Salt Lake City.

The Emmys were postponed twice: Sept. 16, after the terrorist attacks, and Oct. 7, when the United States began airstrikes in Afghanistan.

$5 million has been sent to the White House by schoolchildren for America's Fund for Afghan Children.

In October, 55,000 jobs were lost nationwide at eateries. Nationally, restaurant sales declined $6 billion in September 2001.

Applications increased 53% for majors in Middle and Near East Studies at New York University for fall 2002, compared with fall 2001.

333,000 metric tons of food, enough to feed 26 million, was delivered to Afghanistan by the World Food Program, with the support of the U.S. government, from October 2001 to March 1. 2,423,000 Humanitarian Daily Rations have been dropped in Afghanistan.

161 countries have frozen suspected terrorists' assets.

America's Blood Centers, a network of community banks, collected 251,370 units, nearly three times the normal intake, in the four days after Sept. 11. The Red Cross collected more than 200,000 units and saw its on-hand supply nearly double, from 80,000 units to 156,000 units in days.

The airline industry lost $5 billion from Sept. 11 to Sept. 30 and requested $24 billion in aid from the federal government. Because of tighter restrictions, drugs seized along the 1,962-mile U.S.-Mexico border fell by 80% in the two weeks after the terrorist attacks, compared with the same period the year before.

Donations of $1.88 billion related to Sept. 11 accounted for nearly 1% of all charitable giving in 2001. The average individual donation to Sept. 11 charities was less than $100. Donor nations have promised the United Nations $1.6 billion in aid to Afghanistan.

Nationwide, hotel occupancy dropped to 52.3% Sept. 16 to Sept. 22, down 25.9% from the same period in 2000. 268 marriage licenses were issued in Hawaii Sept. 11 to Sept. 18, down from 732 licenses issued the same week in 2000.

The Tribute in Light, which illuminated the New York skyline nightly from March 11 through April 13, used $10,000 worth of electricity.

The Transportation Security Administration needs 67,000 employees to screen airline passengers and luggage. The administration had hired 23,600 as of Sept. 3.

Wal-Mart sold 116,000 flags on Sept. 11, 2001, an increase of 100,000 compared with Sept. 11, 2000. All flags were made in the USA.

There are 564 detainees at the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, accused of belonging to al-Qaeda or the Taliban.

120 jets were stranded on the tarmac at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport on Sept. 11.

In a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll conducted last week, 60% of Americans said it was very or somewhat likely there would be another attack during the next several weeks. The percentage was down from 80% in October.

The New York City Fire Department has received more than 1 million pieces of mail. The mementos fill two warehouses.

New York City's Verizon recorded 230 million calls a day the week after Sept. 11. Normal volume is half that.

The National Football League bought 1 million small flags for spectators when games resumed Sept. 23.

When the New York Stock Exchange reopened Sept. 17, half of the financial district was without electricity and had to use generators. At 9:30 a.m., traders on the exchange floor paused to observe two minutes of silence.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tested the air at Ground Zero 1,174 times from Sept. 18 to Oct. 4.

More than 2,000 memorial items have been archived at Somerset Historical Museum from the Shanksville, Pa., crash site, including 200 teddy bears.

More than 65 items, from toy weapons to pool cues, are now prohibited in aircraft cabins. Before Sept. 11, there were fewer than 30 restricted items.

Twenty-one office buildings in Lower Manhattan, the same number of buildings in the Southtown section of Kansas City, Mo., were affected by the terrorist attacks. At the end of 2003, New York City will have a net loss of 57,000 jobs attributable to the attack. More than 700 businesses in the WTC complex, about twice as many as are in the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minn., either were destroyed or severely damaged. 22,000 people in Lower Manhattan had requested job-loss benefits 30 days after Sept. 11.

More civilians (70) than people in the military (55) were killed at the Pentagon.

The viewing platform at the WTC site can hold 400 people. It is 13 feet high and made of wood.

The Salt Lake City Olympic Organizing Committee unveiled a $5 red, white and blue Olympic pin with the words United We Stand on Sept. 17. By the next day, 60,000 orders had been received.

Homeless children at the Thomas J. Pappas Elementary School in Phoenix raised $2,000 by making and selling paper flags. The money went to New York City.

Broadway shows grossed $9.6 million for the week ending Sept. 9, 2001. For the week ending Sept. 16, the gross was $3.5 million, and attendance dropped by more than 100,000 to 65,155.

44 passengers and crew members died on United Flight 93. That is one-fifth of the population of Shanksville, Pa., where the jet crashed.

The NYSE made 5,000 breathing masks available to employees and traders because of thick smoke and dust when the stock market reopened Sept. 17.

The fires at Ground Zero burned for 99 days, until Dec. 19.

New England Patriots guard Joe Andruzzi's brother, Jim, was one of the first 500 firefighters called to the WTC Sept. 11. He got out.

Six employees of Morgan Stanley, the largest tenant of the WTC, died in the attack. 3,700 are employed by the company. Cantor Fitzgerald lost more than 600 employees on Sept. 11, all of those on duty at 8:46 a.m. The 320 employees who survived were not in the building.

There were 19 hijackers. Hijackers Mohamed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi spent $48 on Sept. 7 at Shuckums, a Hollywood, Fla., bar. Each had five drinks.

189 people died at the Pentagon and on American Flight 77. 168 died in the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.

It cost $1.1 billion (in 1970 dollars) to build the WTC. A box cutter, which terrorists used as weapons to hijack the planes, costs about $4.

Some Pentagon employees have returned to their offices in the damaged outer ring 61 years after ground was broken Sept. 11, 1941

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Gerard S. Cohen
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Steve,
The steel beams were laid parallel on the Fresh Kills refuse mountain-like dump,where some were marked for structural analysis by metallurgists, some few given to communities and organizations for turning into memorial sculptures, and the majority shipped to scrapmetal yards for recycling. Early on there was some concern that too much was melted down for recycling before it could be scientifically analyzed, so a more deliberate procedure was worked out.

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Charles Everett
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All that heavily hyped wall-to-wall coverage was a big turnoff.

The people have taken a cue from J.Lo and told the TV networks "Enough!" Bush oughta do the same thing.


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Gerard S. Cohen
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5,631 Winners in NYS LOTTO playing Numbers 911 on 9/11/02
Each to get $5,000 per full ticket.
http://www.msnbc.com/local/wnbc/A1319783.asp?0na=x2201312-

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Bob Maar
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Positive Look At Sept. 11

By now everyone has been hearing the death toll rise and reports of the destruction from the terrorist attacks on the US. These were deplorable acts that we will never forget. But now is a time to look at the other side of the numbers coming out of New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. The sad but somewhat uplifting side that the mainstream media has not reported yet - the SURVIVAL rates and some positive news about the attacks.

THE BUILDINGS

The World Trade Center
The twin towers of the World Trade Center were places of employment for some 50,000 people. With the missing list of just over 5,000 people, that means 90% of the people targeted survived the attack. A 90% on a test is an "A"'.

The Pentagon

Some 23,000 people were the target of a third plane aimed at the Pentagon. The latest count shows that only 123 lost their lives. That is an amazing 99.5% survival rate. in addition, the plane seems to have come in too low, too early to affect a large portion of the building. On top of that, the section that was hit was the first of five sections to undergo renovations that would help protect the Pentagon from terrorist attacks. It had recently completed straightening and blast proofing, saving untold lives. This attack was sad, but a statistical failure.

THE PLANES

American Airlines Flight 77
This Boeing 757 that was flown into the outside of the Pentagon could have carried up to 289 people, yet only 64 were aboard. Luckily 78% of the seats were empty.

American Airlines Flight 11
This Boeing 767 could have had up to 351 people aboard, but only carried 92. Thankfully 74% of the seats were unfilled.

United Airlines Flight 175
Another Boeing 767 that could have sat 351 people only had 65 people on board. Fortunately it was 81% empty.

United Airlines Flight 93
This Boeing 757 was one of the most uplifting stories yet. The smallest flight to be hijacked with only 45 people aboard out of a possible 289 had 84% of its capacity unused. Yet these people stood up to the attackers and thwarted a fourth attempted destruction of a national landmark, saving untold numbers of lives in the process.

IN SUMMARY

Out of potentially 74,280 Americans directly targeted by these inept cowards, 93% survived or avoided the attacks. That's a higher survival rate than heart attacks, breast cancer, kidney transplants and liver transplants all common, survivable illnesses.

Pass this information on to those in fear and the media. Don't fear these terrorists. The odds are against them.

~Author Unknown~


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Dave Williams
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That's absolutely right bob. This could have been so much worse. It is still bad, but not as bad as it could have been.

As for nuking? Even if it was against an entire country, the problem with nuking becomes global wide. I don't mean everyone shoots, I mean that the fallout gets high into the atmosphere and goes global, effecting the ecosystem all over, for at least a thousand years. Thats just one. And that is the chief reason to stop Iraq from developing one.

Imagine ten, or a hundred. A hudred would make this planet unlivable, a thousand would kill it off. Nuking, while sounds cool, is definately not very cool. Although it would be very cold afterwards.

Dave

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Dustin Mitchell
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quote:
Imagine ten, or a hundred. A hudred would make this planet unlivable, a thousand would kill it off. Nuking, while sounds cool, is definately not very cool. Although it would be very cold afterwards.

While we definately don't need any more strontium 90 in the atmosphere, a hundred nuclear blasts would hardly make the planet unlivable. Between 1945 and 1963 the United States alone conducted over 300 atmospheric nuclear tests. I believe one series of tests featured over 70 detonations alone over a few months.

Course that doesn't mean I'm in favor of nuking our 'enemies' until they glow green.

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