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Joe Beres
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 - posted 05-22-2002 03:03 PM      Profile for Joe Beres   Email Joe Beres   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The problem is generalization. Not ALL Muslims and Arabs want to kill us. Just as ALL Americans are not perfect little angels. Things just aren't that simple. Yes, there are terrible people that do terrible things, but many of these bad people live amongst perfectly good people and killing everyone makes us no better than the terrorists that attcked on 9/11.

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Dustin Mitchell
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 - posted 05-22-2002 03:42 PM      Profile for Dustin Mitchell   Email Dustin Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Joe, just drop it. Look back several pages in this thread and you will see a very interesting 'conversation' between Greg and myself. Don't bother arguing, it will get you no where.

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Will Morrow
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 - posted 05-22-2002 03:48 PM      Profile for Will Morrow   Author's Homepage   Email Will Morrow   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
A nuclear attack on American soil? Hasn't this been a threat since other countries became nuclear capable? Why all the worry now?

For me to rest in peace, I feel that I would have to die at peace. What do I mean by that? I mean, if there is a nuclear attack near Mt. Pleasant Michigan, and you no longer see me post here, then know that I died a martyre of peace. I died without vegeance towards mankind, of any race, nationality, color or creed. We are an imperfect creation, we can be made to believe what our media and governments want us to believe. In that respect we aren't any different than our brothers and sisters around the world. It's so very much easier to solve our problems with a gun, especially when we deal with people that don't talk like us, than it is to solve them with compassion. No, I have never killed a human, with a gun, and I am not saying the act of that is easy for the average person. But for a government, that has a trained group for doing just that sort of thing, then it is easy to make the order.

Sometimes Americans forget that the people in charge of our nation are human beings, hell, they even forget, but it's true. Mistakes will be made, consequences will be lived, but time will still march on, without skipping a beat.

So many of us worry about the history of ourselves, our families, even our country. But the history of humankind stands to lose the most if we don't figure out an alternative to war.

Those are my feelings now...

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Greg Mueller
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 - posted 05-22-2002 05:14 PM      Profile for Greg Mueller   Author's Homepage   Email Greg Mueller   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"Not ALL Muslims and Arabs want to kill us."
Really? I guess you haven't been listening to the rhetoric from the other side. Name some that are our friends

" killing everyone makes us no better than the terrorists that attcked on 9/11."
You're right, we can't be "better" we have to be worse or we will lose. We have to kill more of them than they kill of us. The one that wins the fight survives and lives on. That's "natural selection" or "Survival of the fittest" if you prefer

"A nuclear attack on American soil? Hasn't this been a threat since other countries became nuclear capable? Why all the worry now?"

Yes, but then we dealt with the Russians and they are not idiots like the arabs. They realized that if they shot at us we would shoot back and there would be mutual destruction. They liked being alive as do we so it was a stand off. We held each other at bay, neither of us wanting to die. But now you have one side that embraces death. Like they did on 9/11, they will not and do not care if they die. They want to! So if they can sit on top of a suitcase or satchel nuke and push the button, "wa-hoo, here I come virgins".
Hey you guys are welcome to "die in peace" but don't take me or anyone else with you by your in action. Do you prefer death?

"humankind stands to lose the most if we don't figure out an alternative to war."

Please oh please, convince the arabs of that and we'll all be ok.
Honestly you guys think I have a lust for killing or something? Listen we have this bunch of people who have sworn to kill us all just because of the country we live in. These people are racists to the nth degree. They are terminators and they will not rest or give up or have mercy or feel our pain or talk it out. They want us dead. There's only one way to deal with homicidal maniacs....

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Will Kutler
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Look,

I lived in Israel in the late 1980's.

Out of necessity, whereever our group went, we were armed.

Our host did its best to brief us....

"If you ever hear some shout Allah Aqbah or Ya Allah...subdue that person or persons before they open up their attack!"

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Joe Redifer
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I often hear that certain people do not discriminate against any race, sex, religion, or creed. What exactly is "creed"? Is it the way a person smells or something? I would like to discriminate against different creeds but I can't since I don't know what it is. And yes, I am too lazy to look it up.

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Sean M. Grimes
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 - posted 05-23-2002 04:23 PM      Profile for Sean M. Grimes   Author's Homepage   Email Sean M. Grimes   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here ya go Joe...

creed

Pronunciation: (krEd), [key]
—n.
1. any system, doctrine, or formula of religious belief, as of a denomination.
2. any system or codification of belief or of opinion.
3. an authoritative, formulated statement of the chief articles of Christian belief, as the Apostles' Creed, the Nicene Creed, or the Athanasian Creed.
4. the creed.See Apostles' Creed.

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Joe Redifer
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OK that's kind of what I thought. But I always hear that people don't discriminate against religion OR creed, when both are basically a set of beliefs. How can you discriminate against one but not the other? They should just pick a term. Although I'm sure lawyers like to make sure official documents say both just to cover their highly paid ass.


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Charles Everett
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But wait . . . there's more!

An FBI agent in Minneapolis said yesterday that the Bureau rewrote his warnings to make it sound like it was no big deal.

After all the FBI has bungled everything else in its path: Ruby Ridge . . . Waco . . . Oklahoma City . . . Olympics . . . Wen Ho Lee . . . and now 9/11. Its solution is more money to turn it into a secret state police.

Did somebody say "Gestapo"?


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John Pytlak
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 - posted 09-10-2002 03:54 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Matthew Bailey was the first to report the tragedy of 9-11 on Film-Tech in this thread. It's almost a year later, and we are remembering those who were killed or forever scarred by this terrible tragedy. It's been an eventful, emotional, sad, and frightening year that has changed us all.


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David Stambaugh
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The best thing we can do is all go about our business, while not forgetting. I am not looking forward to all the overdone media coverage of this "anniversary" -- we don't need it. I wish the media would just run normal programming on 9/11 but replace all the commercials with still shots or video from that day and a title card or voiceover saying "Remember" or something like that.

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Dennis Atkinson
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A slogan like "Remember Pearl Harbor"?
It took 30 years for Dec 7th to disappear off of most calendars.
I wonder how long it will take the public to forget 9/11.

Very sad no matter what.

Dennis


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Brad Miller
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A local talk radio station 105.3 FM ("the talk that rocks"...a lame slogan, I know) is going to run all day without commercials or promos. Their top DJ (if that is even appropriate here) Russ Martin seemed a bit annoyed that he was going to have to do a 4 hour non-stop chat session. I'll bet he will end up playing a piece of music here and there to get a drink, go to the bathroom and such.

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Bob Maar
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" There but for you go I ", My heart cries out. I feel so bad..I have lost friends that I will never see or hear again. Yet, I hear them calling, in the darkness, friends who have wives and children who will never know them, who will never feel their hug or kiss. And you know what that is why we must be strong, that is why we must persevere, that is why we must never forget and that is why we must not let them win.

Semper Fi!!! Let us go and kick ass.


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Charles Everett
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Better yet, there are "10 Things to Do Today Instead of Wallowing".


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