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Topic: WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS JUST COLLAPSED!
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Dave Williams
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Posts: 1836
From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 05-19-2002 08:03 PM
First of all, let me say that you sir, Mr. Charles Everett, need to look up a news channel and get some real information, like from a news channel or something. If someone said that an apartment building somewhere in the US was going be blown up between now and christmas, would you want to force vacate every single apartment building in the US? Do you have any Idea how many US flights there are every day? Do the math, do some real research, then come back to us when you have given whatever brain cells you have left a chance to get real.Now to the comments of Mr. Will Morrow, and others who just dont get this. But please dont take it personally, I am sure that you area only not apprised to certain non secret documents available to every single person in the world. Please understand how our country is formed and how it runs its elections. The other guy did NOT win the election. If you go back and read the constitution of the United States of America, which I believe we are part of, you will find that this country is NOT a democracy, but rather a Republic of independant states, grouped together for strength and unity. The constitution provides a way for us to make sure that each independant state to have a fair vote in how we elect our federal officers, including the president of the US. In the election of our president, each state gets so many votes, the same number of federally elected officers, or our senate and house members. In my state of Utah, we get five votes, and in other states they get more votes, or less votes. The winner of the most of these, or electoral votes, wins the presidential election. This system was put in place to prohibit large populated cities from controlling the outcome for the rest of the country. The popular vote, as yourself refers to as how we "really" elect a president, is exactly the type of system that our founding fathers wanted to protect us against. The system of mob rule can really bring a country down you know. Thats why we are not in a democracy, but in a republic. So large cities such as LA, NY, Chicago, do not vote out smaller ones such as Boise or Shoshanee. Each of our states are of course democracies, but our country is a republic of these independantly democratic states. If you want to play the pop vote game, lets count the six million votes in california that were never counted, the ones that could have leaned the votes in CA the other way, if they were counted. But they werent counted because the election was called. There were four recounts in florida, and after four recounts Gore still lost the votes there. We were getting close to the constitutionally mandated electoral vote time and it was necessary to make sure that Florida did not lose their vote. Yes it is true that if florida did not cast thier vote, they would have lost it, and Gore would have been declared the winner of the election, but is that fair to all the people that voted in florida, to tell them their vote didnt count because Gore wanted to win? The supreme court ruled and under our constitution that is the last word. That is why they are there, to settle disputes such as this. This was a point of law and they had to rule. Failure to do so would have removed the right of a democratic state to cast its fair votes in the presidential election. That would have been wrong. We also forget that after the election was called, Mr. gore called to congradulate Mr. bush, then called about half an hour later to take it back. It was his right, but he kept it up for four recounts, and four weeks. He refused to give it up, and there was no chance to really pull this one out. If he was successful to win the election by court victory, how would that look for our country? Sure, just sue and become president!!! And no Bush did not get the seat handed to him by the Supreme Court as some would have you believe. All they did was stop the court proceedings and let the election stand as it was called. Mr. Bush was elected president, he was elected by the rules of our country and the rules of our constitution. If you think otherwise, then you have been duped by those who have no interest whatsoever in preserving the constitution and the ideals for which so many have died to protect. DOnt let the media fool you. After all, it was the media that made you all beleive that the melinnium ended at the end of 1999. The preceeding message was paid for by the nice people at Mikes Hard Lemonade. Dave
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Will Morrow
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Posts: 91
From: Mt. Pleasant, MI, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 05-20-2002 09:21 PM
Bob, you couldn't be more right about growing up in a different era. I truely wish I could have experienced some of the events my grand parents experienced. Some may have killed me, but I know the ones that wouldn't have would have made me a stronger individual. When I think about WWII, and Vietnam and other pre Gulf Wars, I wonder if I would have been able to deal with them. I support any effort that involves the capture of OBL, even the execution, although I wish there was a way to make him understand the evil he has brought upon us before he is killed. He should have to explain himself, one on one to every survivor, and surviving family member of the tragedy he helped create on Sept. 11th. Then our criminal psychologists should be allowed to study him, exhausting him, and breaking him. Then and only then should it even be thought that he be put to rest.
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Josh Kirkhart
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Posts: 165
From: Austin/Houston, TX, USA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 05-21-2002 04:38 AM
Dave, I don't know how you did it but those few paragraphs should be sent to every students Goverment class as a great foundation to learn from. Bob, my two guns are standing with ya. Will, I'm all for vengence and as much as I would love to set all the blame on Osama's shoulders, I'm not stupid. No one cares if he gets on his knees and prays for forgivness to those families, just as they will not back down if we find and execute( or torture him with your idea of repentence) Osama. One of the perceived enemies will fall and with our ordinance the outcome is predetermined, when and how is up in the air. Your wish "I wish there was a way to make him understand the evil he has brought upon us before he is killed." is probably the same as osama wishes for certain or all americans. We are not the lily white angels that can do nothing wrong, in some ways we brought this war to ourselves. In the same way we believe we are right they believe we are wrong. We will always have enemies. Don't get me started on Israel or Saudi Arabia. To be totally politically incorrect: "Kill em' all and clear us some vacation spots" 
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