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Topic: Non-US members report here for a survey of all countries represented on film-tech
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Leo Enticknap
Film God

Posts: 7474
From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 12-09-2002 03:14 PM
quote: German - According to Ann Landers, a now-deceased advice columnist here in the U.S., the correct term for us is "United States citizens."
That issue opens up a can of worms here. Officially we are subjects of the United Kingdom. But 'subject' implies recognition of the monarch (i.e. Queen Liz) as the head of state, and the term 'United Kingdom' includes Northern Ireland, which is a politically contentious issue.
But in the midst of all the devolution happening in Scotland and Wales, it's important not to let England be left behind - even if we're not a constitutionally standalone country, we do have a cultural identity, hence the use of 'Middlesbrough, England' to describe my workplace opposite.
Personally I prefer to describe myself as a 'United Kingdom National'. This is because 'citizen' suggests to me that you believe that the monarchy should be abolished. I don't - though neither do I believe that the monarchy should have any meaningful political power, hence the fact that I also reject the term 'subject'. I do stick to 'United Kingdom', though: I am not opposed in principle to the status of Northern Ireland changing, but I am completely and utterly opposed to it changing either through terrorism or underhand political methods to engineer a politically correct referendum result. If we get to a stage at which the majority of NI's population either want to become a separate independent country or part of the Republic of Ireland then either is fine by me, but that has to be a genuine expression of political will. Until that happens, I describe myself as a United Kingdom national.
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Michael Schaffer
"Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?"

Posts: 4143
From: Boston, MA
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 12-09-2002 09:53 PM
Exactly. "Cultural" and "political" denominations are sometimes interwoven to a high degree and therefore common usage is the best way to decide what is meant. If I am correctly informed, the USA was the first independent nation in the "new world" while the other modern states in the Americas progressed from being colonies to independent states later. So it is only natural that the word "American" also came to carry the connotation it has today. "German" is another example. Actually, the word "Germany" for the country I am sitting in is quite misleading in a number of ways. "German", or the English term "Germanic", derived from the name of a tribe which lived east of the River Rhine at the time Caesar was butchering the Gauls, refers to the tribes which lived in central Europe in classical antiquity. While they are indeed the ancestors of the modern "Germans", they are also the ancestors of the "English", "Dutch", "Swiss" and "Austrian" people who speak "Germanic" languages. Also, the Scandinavian languages belong to the same "Germanic" family. The modern term for the people and the language is "Deutsch" (pronounced doitsh), the country is "Deutschland". The word is derived from another ancient tribe, the Teutons, and came into use in the middle ages. As can easily be seen, it is also the word behind "Dutch", which in turn denominates the people and language of the Netherlands, who became an indendent nation some centuries ago. Very confusing. Still, one can usually understand who is meant from the context. Anyway, I am going to edit the topic title to "Non-US" as the point of it was to poll those members who are from countries other than the US so that we can have an overview off all the nationalities on this forum. But how do I do that? I couldn`t find any info in the faq about how to change the title of a topic.
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