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Author Topic: More junk for sale on Ebay Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 12-10-2003 04:36 PM                     At least he's being honest by indicating they won't play in consumer CD players.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-10-2003 07:38 PM                     quote: The original Jurrassic Park discs won't even work in any of the newer DTS systems. Yes they do. They play just fine (the 6-track discs, not the stereo discs). However it is important to note that if the movie is stopped for some reason, certain later model players cannot pick up where it left off. Seems I recall something about the dts player wanting to see the beginning of the reel for a "start command" or something along those lines.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-10-2003 07:45 PM                        So what's the deal with the 4-track "DTS Stereo" players? I know very little about them, except that they a) aren't made anymore, b) used different disks, c) are only useable in single-projector installations, as they output a two-track matrixed (!) soundtrack and feed the "projector 2" input on the processor, and d) were primarily a way to give cheap theatre owners a means to put "digital" on the marquee. Maybe this is a topic for a separate thread, but I'd be curious about the history of this format.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-10-2003 08:04 PM                     As I understand the story, it was more of an issue of there not being enough cdrom drives back in 1993 to meet the demand, so it was some kind of quick workaround to meet the Jurassic Park deadline. I don't know of any units that were not sent back to dts for upgrade to 6 track. If someone knows different, please chime in.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 12-11-2003 04:57 AM                     If there was a shortage, then I don't think that was the whole story. At the time that Dolby Digital was launched I read an article about it, at the end of which was a brief mention, probably just a single paragraph, about a competing system (DTS) which was about to be released, I'm pretty sure that it named 'Jurassic Park' as the first title, because I remember making a point of going to see it in order to hear the new system. Several other systems were also mentioned, with almost no details given; CDS, SDDS, LC Concepts, and something with 12 inch discs. The impression given was that DTS was a cheap alternative to the Dolby system, and would be available in two versions, six-channel DTS-6 for theatres that wanted Dolby but couldn't afford it, and four-channel (matrixed) DTS-S (upgradeable to the full six channel version) for ones that were really poverty stricken, and couldn't afford even the full DTS! A somewhat unfair assessment of the system. Shortly after reading this I went to a presentation by Dolby at which their digital system was demonstrated with a clip from 'Batman Returns'. I think this was before any public use of the system in this country. During a discussion after the show, a representative from Dolby accepted that their system was not cheap, but indicated that it was intended for use only in a few 'top' cinemas, and was not expected to be as widely used as it has since become. (I can't remember the exact wording used, but it was along those lines.) I asked about what the implications were for 70mm. They stated that they had no plans for a 70mm digital system, and while I didn't get a definate 'yes', they did rather give the impression that they saw 35mm Dolby Digital replacing 70mm 6-track magnetic at lower cost, in much the same way as analogue Dolby Stereo had replaced 35mm 4-track magnetic. It was clearly stated that Dolby SR was seen as the apporpriate upgrade path for cinemas which did not already have it (many in this country at that time) with digital being a prestige, limited market product; whether permanently, or just in the short term, I'm not sure. Basically, it was seen as an upgrade for the sort of houses which were already 70mm Dolby six-channel equipped. The Cat. 699 and DA-10 fitted in quite nicely to an installation with a CP-200, aux unit, MPU-1, SRA-5, etc. DTS seemed to promote their system rather differently; they saw it as being much more widely used. For the sort of venue with a four-channel system with a CP-50 the DTS-S system would have been a convienent upgrade, just bolt on the reader, put the DTS unit in the rack, minimal cabling to do, and off you go. DTS-6 would have involved more work and greater cost, re-wiring surrounds, extra amps, probably new processor, etc. DTS got off to a good start, with 'Jurassic Park' and 'Schlindler's List', possibly having more installations than Dolby in this country at that time. After that things seemed to slow down, at the same time as Dolby Digital gained popularity, and became much more widely installed. I would certainly think that there are many more Dolby installations than DTS here now. Shortly afterwards (less than a year?) the demise of DTS-S was announced. I don't think many places ever installed it, I've never seen one. Most 35mm cinemas either stayed with analogue, or upgraded to six-channel when they went digital, sometimes also upgrading amps, speakers etc. at the same time. Of course, in later years, Digital has become much more widespread. At about this time, I bought several CD-ROM drives, and never found any shortage, if there was one I think it must have been very brief, just waiting for the next shipment to arrive. In an old computer I still have one the Toshiba caddy-loading drives that were used in the first DTS units, and it is still used.  |  IP: Logged Jesse Skeen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1517 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 12-11-2003 01:39 PM                     The now-gone Cinema 2 in Davis had the matrix DTS system installed for Jurassic Park- the last movie shown there with it was Crooklyn. It was then upgraded to 6-track but run through an old CP-50 with mono surrounds for a couple months, then finally replaced with a CP-65 with split surrounds during the last week of Timecop (final movie played there was the reissue of Saving Private Ryan- the projector and sound system are now at the Varsity, though they don't seem to be getting used much.)  |  IP: Logged William Hooper Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1879 From: Mobile, AL USA Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-12-2004 02:54 AM                        "RARE Antique NATIONAL 35mm Hand Crank Movie Projector" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2979344273 "This was a simple device as there is no shutter in the mechanism so the images just slid into one another."  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-12-2004 06:53 AM                     No it wasn't a shortage of drives just a lower cost system. It also allowed processors that didn't have a multitrack input to handle digital It ran into some problems namely that the signal had to pass through the system NR It would only run out of the box as a single machine system After Jurrasic they discovered most people had either installed or upgraded to 6 channel so it was dropped  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 01-27-2004 03:16 PM                  WTF am I missing? $5K for Famous 35 mm Film Clips on one Reel, Item number: 3380643754 ? ...AND there are people bidding on it! Imagine what the guy could get if he had the whole print? YIKES! >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 01-27-2004 03:28 PM                        Probably because the reel allegedly contains the Solo and Jabba scene that was cut and restored in the Special Edition. The text makes it appear as if the footage here was the original scene. I doubt that very much as I understand that scene was cut before the film was ever released, so it is very unlikely that there is release print material of that scene. It was probably slashed from a Special Edition print. I guess some collectors are willing to pay that much for what they think is a rare item...  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 01-27-2004 03:37 PM                  I get all that, Mike. But 5 GRAND? Holy smokes! >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 01-27-2004 04:38 PM                        Maybe the bidder in question is Mr. Lucas or Mr. Valenti doing a spot of amateur detective work...  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 01-27-2004 04:49 PM                  Gosh, I don't know about that, Leo. Mr. Lucas is way too busy promoting Digital "movies", and Jacko Baby is WAAAAAY too busy promoting himself. >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Floyd Justin Newton Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 559 From: Phoenix, Arizona, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 01-27-2004 06:15 PM                     This looks, sounds, and has the odor of a major rip-off to me. fjn  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 01-27-2004 06:32 PM                     Oh Just great! Now someone is going to outbid me, thanks Phil! No, seriously what a bunch of idiots, maybe $5k for an original (entire) print  |  IP: Logged

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