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Topic: I HATE getting stiffed!! (Tips that is!)
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Dave Williams
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Posts: 1836
From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 11-15-2004 10:11 AM
I am a waitresses best customer.
First of all, I don't leave much of a mess. I feel that I am a guest in thier place and I feel that guests should show respect. so I don't leave crap all over the table and floor.
Second, I am polite and cordial to the waitress and staff at all moments, regardless of thier own behavior. I can always empathize that perhaps they are having a bad day beyond thier control, the last thing they need is me coming in with my attitude to bring her down just a little bit more. My attitude usually improves the service quite a bit, always making them feel as if I appriciate them long before the tip ever arrives.
I make them feel as if I am thier friend right up front, and througout, just to make them more comfortable and willing to bend to my every request.
Now lastly, I will not tip a percentage most of the time, I tip both my heart and my ego. If my heart just was not in it, meaning the waitress did little to make my visit a pleasant one, or the food was so horrendous and she did nothing to fix the problem, etc., then the tip will be very very low. On a 30 dollar tab, I might leave a buck or two. just to be pissy about it.
On the other hand, if everything was to my satisfaction, or even better, much better, then the tip on a 30 dollar tab could be as high as 10 or 15 dollars.
On one instance, the service was so great from the beginning, but the food was not right. I sent it back, and this time the chef came out to personally deliver the food. He apologized for the first foray and hoped that is was to my satisfaction this time. Well it was, and he even came back out later to check. I had been to this place many times before and I had not seen such service, well I never had bad food before. But all was well, we had a party of four, the tab was about 90 bucks, I tipped 35. I go back routinely and am greeted by name, and given a good table where I like, and always moved ahead of others waiting for a table as soon as I walk in, as If I had a reservation. I love that.
On the other hand, another place I went to, it took two hours for our party to get all of our food, and our drinks went completely unfilled most of the time. I did voice my displeasure to my host, and to the manager, who seemed indifferent to my cause. Not only did I stiff them 50 percent of the tab, there was no tip either. I did it from ego alone. It was hurt, and they did it. I wanted them to know that they really sucked my night away.
As for pizza, i never order it. I make it myself from scratch. Those delivery places suck horribly and just cant get it right.
ciao baby
Dave
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Rachel Craven
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From: Pensacola, FL
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-15-2004 10:11 AM
I think if you order delivery, unless the service is bad you should tip. I think that everyone here knows that they work for tips, it is how they get paid. If you're too lazy to get off your ass and go get it yourself give the driver a buck.
Same thing with waiters/waitresses, paper delivery kids, strippers! You get the point..these are all jobs where people work for tips and the general public knows it. If they do a bad job, I agree 100% that they do not deserve a tip but if they do a good job, or just what they are supposed to do and least give them a little something.
You can always go pick up your own pizza, cook your own dinner, pick up your own newspaper, or strip for yourself in the mirror! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Mitchell Dvoskin
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From: West Milford, NJ, USA
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 11-15-2004 10:33 AM
I HATE getting stiffed!!
That says you have the wrong attitude.
Tips are (T)o (I)nsure (P)rompt (S)ervice. They are a GIFT from your employer's customers to you for doing something extra or special for them. The opertive word is GIFT, not obligation, nor is it payment for doing your basic job. Yes, I know a lot of people work for tips, but let me give you a TIP, the ones that are successfull consistantly go the extra mile, not just their job. This is a decision you make if you decide to work for tips, and with this, the knowledge that some people don't tip. That too, is part of the package.
/Mitchell
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Mitchell Dvoskin
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From: West Milford, NJ, USA
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 11-15-2004 02:18 PM
Hi Rachel,
Here's the problem. When I call up a business that advertises that they will cook and deliver a pizza to my door for a set price, I expect it at that price. The person doing the delivery is an employee of that company doing his/her basic job. If that job does not pay enough to make it worthwhile, then they should not be doing it. The delivery man does not work for me, he works for the pizza store.
Ulitimatly, the answer is for pizza places to charge a fair seperate price for delivery, so that the delivery person gets paid a fair amount. That however, will not happen as long as people are foolish enough to work for customer handouts.
The fact that the job can be dangerous is not the issue, who the delivery person works for is.
How would you feel if before every start the show, the booth-ushers at your theatre come down to the auditorum and ask for tips as assurance that the show will be run correctly, since the theatre is only paying them slightly more than minimum wage? There is no difference.
/Mitchell
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Thomas Procyk
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From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 11-15-2004 03:47 PM
quote: Mitchell Dvoskin
The person doing the delivery is an employee of that company doing his/her basic job. If that job does not pay enough to make it worthwhile, then they should not be doing it.
And the only thing that would cause is pizza places not delivering because nobody wants to work for below minimum wage and not be tipped. That is the problem: Most places pay wait staff or delivery people LESS than minimum wage because they earn tips (which are also claimed on taxes, or should be) therefore, tips are technically part of the wage.
And what you're saying IS happening. Nobody wants to do delivery jobs so it's left up to the poor teenage kids who are willing to do what nobody else will.
IMHO, the delivery driver is doing me a huge favor, despite the "food being cooked and delivered at a set price." He or She is using THEIR gas and risking THEIR life to drive it over (pressured by the owners to do so as fast as possible). Yes, this is "the risk associated with the job so too bad" but for most, the tips justify the risk.
It's sad that certain people are not only so lazy as to be bothered by the burden to leave their house to feed themselves, but even more sad that they would be such a cheap skinflint to treat a menu as a written contract so they can justify weaseling out of paying a tip. ![[thumbsdown]](graemlins/thumbsdown.gif)
A friend of mine worked for a place that had a $2 delivery charge per order. Did he get all of that money? HELL NO! That money goes into the till. He was still paid his minimum wage, but never got tipped because of that charge. If everyone did that practice, again, no one would want to deliver food.
quote: Mitchell Dvoskin
How would you feel if before every start the show, the booth-ushers at your theatre come down to the auditorum and ask for tips as assurance that the show will be run correctly, since the theatre is only paying them slightly more than minimum wage? There is no difference.
WRONG!!! There's a big difference. That's like the pizza place asking for a tip before he gets to your door. On the other hand, if the "booth-ushers" put on a great show, and as people were leaving they stood with a tip jar, I'd drop a buck or two in there. Some may say it's their JOB to put on a flawless show, but the fact that flawless shows are few and far between unfortunately justifies the tip.
=TMP=
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Mitchell Dvoskin
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From: West Milford, NJ, USA
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 11-15-2004 06:06 PM
It's sad that certain people are not only so lazy as to be bothered by the burden to leave their house to feed themselves
Lazyness has nothing to do with it, convienence does.
but even more sad that they would be such a cheap skinflint
This statement, in the context it has been used, appears to be a personal insult against me, not a general comment. As such, it is in violation of forum rules, oh moderators. Thomas could have disagreed with me without being nasty.
to treat a menu as a written contract
It is. Every state has consumer fraud laws for those businesses that charge more than their posted prices.
so they can justify weaseling out of paying a tip.
This implied that we are under some sort of oblication to, or agreed to, pay a tip. That is not just the case.
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