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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Jason Black
Advertising FREE DELIVERY is just that. The person bringing it should never EXPECT a tip and they should be appreciative when they get one.. as opposd to the idea that they are automatically DUE it...
And if everybody chose not to tip a pizza delivery guy, you would see that "free" delivery service quickly disappear. You would get charged automatically a set fee for delivery. On top of that, the prices of pizza would probably go up as well. Because what idiot is going to use their own vehicle to deliver any pizzas if there is no financial incentive to do so? All pizza places would have to start buying and maintaining company vehicles. That cost would get passed on to all the customers.

The idea that the store-driver relationship is "not my problem" is a strawman. It sounds a little like the phoney baloney arguments justifying outsourcing. I know there's a few computer programmer types in this forum. It cannot sit well that much of the programming and IT industry is getting shipped off to India. But then I could cop the same attitude and say, "it's not my problem. I want cheap or free software."

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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quote: Bobby Henderson

And if everybody chose not to tip a pizza delivery guy, you would see that "free" delivery service quickly disappear. You would get charged automatically a set fee for delivery. On top of that, the prices of pizza would probably go up as well. Because what idiot is going to use their own vehicle to deliver any pizzas if there is no financial incentive to do so? All pizza places would have to start buying and maintaining company vehicles. That cost would get passed on to all the customers.

Obvously, and this would be a good thing for both the delivery person who is now getting paid a reasonable salary, and the customer who is no longer going to feel pressured to tip.

quote: Bobby Henderson

It cannot sit well that much of the programming and IT industry is getting shipped off to India. But then I could cop the same attitude and say, "it's not my problem. I want cheap or free software."

I'm not sure comparing pizza delivery and cheap overseas labor works. There are too many different issues involved. However, speaking as someone who earns most of his living as a computer programmer, I can say it is really not your problem. As much as it would be nice to think that people will not buy products that compete against American jobs, let's face it, that is just not going to happen. Ultimately, those of us in the industry and our society in general will have to deal with this problem, but for the moment, people are going to buy the cheapest software, just as they bought the cheapest manufactured goods 20 years earlier.

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Mike Heenan
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WE should just do what they do in Italy (and other countries in Europe) is to have the service included in the prices already.

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Joe Redifer
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Yeah, but tips are a way of letting people know when they are good or when they suck. If they got the same fee each and every time, then there would be no need to provide outstanding service above the call of what is required by them. If the fees were included in the price, people like Mitchell would complain that food is too expensive and they'd never go out to restaraunts as much.

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Chris Hipp
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Well that explains it, Richard must suck at his job, that is why he keeps getting stiffed.

Of course I am joking.

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Carl Martin
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quote: Joe Redifer
If they got the same fee each and every time, then there would be no need to provide outstanding service above the call of what is required by them.
is outstanding service only to be expected in tipping situations? don't we theater people try to do our jobs proudly and properly? do we get tips (as a rule)?

shouldn't business owners keep tabs on the service their employees provide as it affects return business? shouldn't business owners compensate their good employees well?

tipping does allow for direct customer feedback, it's true. and that would still be the case were tipping less frequent, only when truly earned. as it is, a customer does have the option of expressing dissatisfaction by leaving no tip. but how does the server interpret this? more often as "i got stiffed" rather than "i need to do a better job".

i like jeremy's approach. it's a form of voluntary income redistribution. we may all order pizza, rich and poor alike. but if we can afford it, we throw in a little extra. the driver is happy, and goes the extra mile to return the favor.

carl

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Carl Martin
don't we theater people try to do our jobs proudly and properly?
No. Definitely not. Not based on what I've seen.

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Richard Greco
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I found out that for a large pepperoni pizza, without adding in labor costs, is roughly $2.91 cost to the store. We sell a large pepperoni for roughly 11.00 with taxes.

As far as tips go, people think that the delivery charge is mine...it isn't. I only make .75 a delivery. On a fairly busy night, that is roughly 10.50 that I get in mileage only. Tim, you get paid per mile you drive. Also you don't need the tips since, you drive a company truck. Your fuel is paid for, and most other amenities on the road. (I've worked with a few truckers, yes this is true to a point.)

Most truckers make about 25-30,000 a year. I only make about 11 if I'm lucky.

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Jason Black
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$2.91 huh? Wow, costs have sure gone up over the last many years....

Regardless of the fact that Tim drives a company truck, he is still an employee, like yourself. Most people dont' even KNOW about the .75 delivery charge. I've never heard of it prior to your mentioning it.

I think we (those in disagreement) are going to have to agree to disagree on this subject, with regard to the idea of mandatory or, expected, tipping.

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Chris Medley
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I have a questions. What about SONIC. I was thinking about this thread today, and while I usually tip my change at SONIC I came to the realization that they do no more work than the guy at the DRIVE-THRU at Wendys, yet the drive-thru guy doesn't get a tip..just a thought more than a question really.

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Jeremy Fuentes
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quote: Jason Black
I think we (those in disagreement) are going to have to agree to disagree
I agree.

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Jason Black
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Chris,

Wayy back on page one...

quote: Jason Black
I also have stopped eating at Sonic becuase they have closed their drive-thru window so that someone actually brings your food out to you in the drive thru line. In my opinion, this obligates one to tip the person bringing the food, as you woudl do if you pulled up to the parking spot and ordered. Not cool. Allow me to choose, dont' force it upon me. I will, and have, taken my business elsewhere based on this fact. Actually, Sam's is right behind Sonic. I now hit Sam's and get a huge hot dog with chili and a 44oz drink for $2.32! I didn't need those fries or tots to begin with...

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Richard Greco
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I agree about Sonic. Jason, the delivery charge for us is actually 1.25

Some Hungry Howie's charge 2.00 for delivery

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Jason Black
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RG,

This begs the question, how does the customer know that there is a $1.25 delivery fee if the advertising states FREE DELIVERY?

That makes no sense.. and if I'm understanding what you are saying, the customer is charged $1.25 for a delivery fee although all print ads state free delivery...

Makes NO sense... [Confused]

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Richard Greco
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No print ads that I know of state free delivery

All ads say "Delivery Charge May Apply" meaning it is the stores discretion what they charge for delivery.

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