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Lyle Romer
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Ever so slightly off topic....

Does anybody know why in the timeline of the "Indiana Jones" movies, they made "Temple of Doom" take place before "Raiders of the Lost Ark"?

Raiders was 1936 and then the sequel was 1935. Why not just make it 1937 as there was nothing historically significant in it (I don't think)?

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John Wilson
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I believe it was so they didn't have to explain the appearance of Willie Scott and the disappearance of Marion Ravenwood.

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According to the new DVD, it was also because they didn't want to deal with the Nazis again.

Also, I have a friend who insists that TEMPLE OF DOOM takes place first because it is essentially an origin story. Going into the movie, he's looking for "Fortune and Glory." Over the course of the film, he evolves to appreciate these relics for having more importance than that.

There's still some inconsistencies which don't quite work, and LAST CRUSADE and YOUNG INDIANA JONES retroactively kill this idea, but that's life.

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Michael Moore
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I have always looked at the episodes to be random anyway with no real rhyme or reason... I don't think they are meant to be connected plot wise. Thematically the movies work well as individual episodes in Indian Jones career as an archeologist and adventurer. The character connections are always there, but the stories are not connected. Hey it works.

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Yes in these "worlds" of film series and television series one has to treat each film episode as its own quantum timeline and not part of a large perfect chronology or you will go insane with the rooting out inconsistencies and worse, trying to figure out how they can work.

Two simple points that nipped it in the bud for me and made me give in are in the James Bond series (prior to Casino Royale). 1. In "You only live twice" James Bond meets Blofeld face to face in his lair. In the very next film "On her majesty's secret service" Bond disguises himself with glasses and an accent enters Blofeld's lair as guest. 2. By the last Pierce Brosnan film there is no way Bond could be in his 80's and still going strong (that is if he had been the same Bond of Dr No.

Each film is its own.

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Spielberg sez there may be more Indy ahead: (from imdb.com)

If Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull turns out to be the kind of hit many industry observers expect, it's likely that a fifth Indy film will follow, the filmmakers told a news conference at the Cannes Film Festival on Sunday. Asked whether he'd make any more Indy sequels, Steven Spielberg replied, "Only if you want more of them." He added, "That's the reason why we made this Indiana Jones," explaining that no one has ever asked him to make a sequel to 1941 or AI: Artificial Intelligence. "So certainly we'll have our ear to the ground this summer and that will decide where we go from here." In an interview with FoxNews.com's Roger Friedman, George Lucas added, "I haven't even told Steven or Harrison this. But I have an idea to make Shia the lead character next time and have Harrison come back like Sean Connery did in the last movie. I can see it working out." That may be the only way Harrison Ford might return. He has previously told interviewers that Crystal Skull will be his last film as Indy.

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quote: Mike Blakesley
I haven't even told Steven or Harrison this. But I have an idea to make Shia the lead character next time and have Harrison come back like Sean Connery did in the last movie. I can see it working out." That may be the only way Harrison Ford might return. He has previously told interviewers that Crystal Skull will be his last film as Indy.
Yeah, right George. You haven't told Steven or Harrison. As if they'd care. Give up...you have no idea what works or not anymore.

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Oh BS...George can just digitally add Harrision in! It works in commercials it can certainly work in theatres...they make movies out of TV shows anyway!

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Here is an article on the dude who made the hats for INDY 4.

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In the movies, as in life, clothes define character. And with Harrison Ford's iconic archaeologist and adventurer, Indiana Jones, it's all about the hat. Having worn hats all his life — growing up on a cotton farm made them a necessity — Stephen Delk, a soft-spoken grandfather from Columbus, Mississippi, always appreciated good headgear but was too busy with his job as a custom cabinetmaker to indulge his inner hatter. Then, around 1991, a friend showed him a 10-year-old film on VHS, conceived by George Lucas and directed by Steven Spielberg, called Raiders of the Lost Ark. Delk remembers thinking, "That is the coolest hat I've ever seen." After spending $7,500 on hats that never quite matched his imagination, Delk made a fateful decision: "Heck, I could learn how to make these things."
Three years of trial and error — "Hatters don't share much," he asserts — and Delk, using arcane instruments like tollikers, brim flanges, and crown irons, had the Adventurebilt: a thirties-style brown fedora made from the finest beaver felt, with a 5 ½" straight-sided crown, dark ribbon, and a dimensionally cut brim (2 ½" sides, 2 ¾" front and back).
On his quest, Delk discovered a crucial secret: It was the block shape of the original Raiders fedora, found by costume designer Deborah Nadoolman at the Herbert Johnson hat shop in London, that made Indy's lid so distinctive. So like the old-school bespoke hatters who stretched raw felt bodies over worn wooden blocks, Delk carved out a properly shaped form by hand and got to work.
Fast forward to last year: Bernie Pollack, costume designer for the upcoming Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull — the fourth film in the series — gave him a call. Spielberg, after viewing test shots of Harrison Ford in an Adventurebilt, had made up his mind, and Delk beat out Hollywood hatmaker Baron Hats for the contract. Along with his partner Marc Kitter, he worked up 48 hats for the film. And while many of his customers are Indiana Jones fans, 80 percent of Delk's business comes from purists, those rare souls who still appreciate a handmade hat. (He insists on doing all of his stitching by hand, taking over eight hours in his backyard camper workshop to produce each one.)
Delk isn't sure yet if he will attend the premiere of Indy IV. But if he does, he'll be hatless — so as not to show up the guy on the screen.


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quote: Mike Blakesley
Asked whether he'd make any more Indy sequels, Steven Spielberg replied, "Only if you want more of them."
Well that's B.S. because he refused to work on the sequel to Jaws and there were never sequels of Close Encounters or E.T.

It took 20 years to get this fourth movie together...I don't think you'll see another one and even if he does make another one, is Shia enough of a draw to get people in the theatres? I don't think so.

quote: Mark Campbell
James Bond series (prior to Casino Royale). 1. In "You only live twice" James Bond meets Blofeld face to face in his lair. In the very next film "On her majesty's secret service" Bond disguises himself with glasses and an accent enters Blofeld's lair as guest.
First of all the movies were released in a different order than the novels and after the first few, barely resembled the novels anyway, except for character names. Fleming's books were published in this order: Casino Royale, Live and Let Die, Moonraker, Diamonds are Forever, For Your Eyes Only (short stories), From Russia With Love, Dr. No, Goldfinger, The Spy Who Loved Me, Thunderball, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, You Only Live Twice (short stories), The Man with the Golden Gun, Octopussy (short stories).

Kingsley Amis authored one post-Fleming Bond novel, John Gardner wrote 14 + a few film novelizations and Raymond Benson wrote 6 + some short stories and film novelizations. There's a new one just released by author Sebastian Faulks.

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Mike Blakesley
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Well it's a good thing that Spielberg didn't work on any of the Jaws sequels, because they sucked worse with every chapter.

As for E.T., a sequel would have probably been something like "Elliot goes to E.T.'s planet and saves them from diaster." There was a really nice book I read as a kid called "The Wonderful Flight to the Mushroom Planet" that I always thought would make a good movie, and it had almost exactly that storyline.

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Re: Prints of Raiders (& ToD & LC) being pulled from distribution

The AFI Silver Theatre in Maryland is attempting to show the Indiana Jones films as part of a (pretty killer) Spielberg retrospective. Listings for the Indy films have this note: Screenings unconfirmed, check back for updates.

Raiders is scheduled for 07/25, 26, & 31. The others are in Aug.

I hope those films get back into distribution soon. It would be nice to see a GOOD Indiana Jones film on the Big Screen. [Smile]

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Raiders is indeed on their current (July) calendar. Perhaps it has been confirmed.

The print of JAWS they got was indeed pristine and with a digital soundtracks.

The AFI/Silver is also showing David Lean and Warren Beatty retrospectives (as well as James Stewart)...their print of Bonnie and Clyde was exceptionally good.

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quote: Martin Brooks
Well that's B.S. because he refused to work on the sequel to Jaws and there were never sequels of Close Encounters or E.T.
Those films were all Spielberg, the Indy series is a joint creation with George Lucas.

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