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Author Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: May 22, 2008 Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 02-27-2008 03:15 PM                        I laugh at those who gave up 35mm so quickly. Converting to digital is one thing. Throwing away all 35mm equipment is another. Mike, your bookies may not be laughing very long. We'll see.  |  IP: Logged Brian Guckian Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 594 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Apr 2003 posted 02-27-2008 03:43 PM                     But...(look at the pendulum and repeat after me!) film is... Bulky, Archaic and Expensive You are feeling sleepy...  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-27-2008 05:25 PM                        I know the Carmike Wynnsong in Billings has 35mm capability in at least one house...but I think it's one of their smaller ones. (I guess it's possible that they left other 35mm setups in place...but they've been 100% digital since "Wild Hogs" left last summer.) Is there such a thing as a "movable" 35mm setup that could be wheeled into place?  |  IP: Logged Brad Allen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 688 From: Evansville, IN, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 02-27-2008 06:03 PM                     My booker received this very info from a Parmount Branch Manager. IE: Indy will not be available in digital. YMMV.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-27-2008 06:33 PM                        quote: Brad Allen My booker received this very info from a Parmount Branch Manager. IE: Indy will not be available in digital. Well, I guess I would believe a Paramount branch manager more quickly than a website called "joblo.com." Still seems pretty improbable though, especially when all the rich guys in suits start crying foul.  |  IP: Logged David Zylstra Master Film Handler Posts: 432 From: Novi, MI, USA Registered: Mar 2007 posted 02-27-2008 06:35 PM                     quote: Mike Blakesley Is there such a thing as a "movable" 35mm setup that could be wheeled into place? I know there is a manufacturer that makes a rail system where you can do a dual system sharing the same port - I'll bet with a little modification it could be used for a building wide mobile 35mm system . . . . . . I'm also sure there are many home grown moveable systems out there that were purpose built. [ 02-29-2008, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: David Zylstra ]  |  IP: Logged Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 02-27-2008 06:43 PM                     quote: Mike Blakesley Well, I guess I would believe a Paramount branch manager more quickly than a website called "joblo.com." Joblo.com is actually one of the better movie news websites. There's even a quote attributed to Spielberg which scrolls across the top of the front page that reads, "I love joblo.com."  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-27-2008 07:59 PM                        It does look like a good site. I'm surprised it's never been mentioned here before (that I've seen, anyway).  |  IP: Logged James Westbrook Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1133 From: Lubbock, Texas, Usa Registered: Mar 2006 posted 02-28-2008 02:05 AM                     Happy, my theatre has not converted to digital, yet.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-28-2008 04:59 AM                     That's just dumb. Why not make it available to digital? The trailer's full of CGI (albeit bad pre-release stuff). There's no way he believes the general public even sees any difference. The future's here kids...don't be dumb, accept it or lose.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-28-2008 07:35 AM                        Why is this dumb? Are there really enough theatres without any 35mm capability for this to be an issue? I have a hard time believing that every current release, including foreign and specialized films and reissues, is available in DLP. Heck, SMPTE doesn't even have a standard for distribution yet.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 02-28-2008 12:55 PM                    I don't think it is dumb. I do think it is dumb to remove the 35mm stuff when it can share the same screen for situations just like this one. Film makers are artists. If they feel they can get a certain look by using film in the final stage of their craft then they should have the right to choose that format not be restricted by one specific format. Spielberg has always stated about his Indiana Jones films that he wants them to have the feel of the types of movies he grew up on when he was a child. I think he feels that Digital Projection at this time does not give the true feeling of film that he is looking for. I think he may just want it known that there should be options not restrictions. Basically his way of saying you can have the DLP but keep the 35mm in place in case someone wants to use it. I wonder if they will do an Imax release so it can have some 70MM releases. The other three films all had 5 perf 70MM releases.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-28-2008 01:47 PM                     I only say it's dumb because if I forked out such a large amount of money on the 'future' of cinema...I'd darn well want the biggest movie of the year to be available in it. I wonder what George 'Digital' Lucas thinks of it all?  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-28-2008 02:15 PM                     I got confirmation from my booker that Paramount (at least as of today) will indeed NOT be making this movie available in D-Cinema format. Spielberg has just shot up many points in my book.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-28-2008 03:11 PM                     Hooray! Post number 5000! With that out of the way... ...I'm little surprised Paramount and Steven Spielberg are making this film-only move with the new Indiana Jones movie. I am also skeptical they'll stick to their guns on this. Spielberg's stance regarding film-based movie production is well known. He's going to keep shooting movies on film until no one makes movie camera film anymore. And that stance is admirable since video cameras still do not match film in terms of image quality, regardless of them being "digital." But the distribution end of things is a little more complicated. I can see this policy working without too many snags this year. Not enough digital projection systems have been installed at this point to make too big a difference, especially in major chains like Regal, AMC, etc. But if anyone tries a similar film prints only stunt in another year or two they're going to be shooting themselves in the foot financially. Yes, many movie theaters that have installed digital projection on all screens still have at least one or two film projectors in operation. Unfortunately, it's usually an arrangement of one unit on a big or medium sized house and maybe a 2nd projector in a small house. That's how it is with most Carmike locations. By comparison, if the movie had a digital version available it could potentially run in every house during some midnight premiere event or something. The Carmike 8 here in Lawton had Spiderman 3 loaded and ready to play on all 8 screens and managed to fill up 4. They couldn't do that with only film prints and just 2 film projectors. And will Paramount even book 2 prints at this theater? Knowing Paramount, they'll probably book Indy 4 exclusively at the shitty 12-plex across town in Central Mall. One other thing I want to know is this: What quality level are they rendering the CGI and digital intermediate for Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? If the CGI and DI are rendered in the usual 2K quality level then this film only effort in distribution will be tinged with more than a bit of hypocrisy. A 35mm film print doesn't gain anything above 2K digital projection if the movie is output only in 2K resolution. I would be more excited about this film only thing if the print making process itself was done largely in "old school" method instead of some stupid, resolution bottle-necked 2K process. If those methods were used, along with lots of old school methods in visual effects, then you would be seeing noticeably sharper image quality than what 2K digital projection could deliver -just as long as the booth equipment was good, properly maintained and practices of "film done right" were observed. From what I've seen in the movie trailer, there's definitely a LOT of CGI taking place. Lots of digital post production is happening. They better be rendering this stuff in 4K resolution (or even higher than that) otherwise this purist, film-only distribution stunt is going to be awful silly. quote: Mike Schindler And let's face facts. He's Steven Spielberg. He can do whatever the hell he wants. Even with a movie as big as INDIANA JONES. Technically, Indiana Jones is George Lucas' baby. It's a Lucasfilm Production. Spielberg is really a hired gun on this project -even though him and Lucas have had a close friendship for many years.  |  IP: Logged

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