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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 11-26-2011 09:58 PM

Tom... Can you condense that down to a couple of sentences... I don't have two hours to spare to read your post...

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 11-26-2011 10:16 PM

Condensation:
People are buying lots of music on iTunes and the like. Lots of stores are closing.

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Tom Petrov
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posted 11-26-2011 11:10 PM

quote: Mike Blakesley
People are buying lots of music on iTunes and the like. Lots of stores are closing.

Exactly what Mike just said, and do we need record stores anymore.

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Monte L Fullmer
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posted 11-26-2011 11:37 PM

quote: Mike Blakesley
Lots of stores are closing

"eBone" and online sites are now where to find collectable vinyls...but, I managed to strike "veins of gold" in thrift stores also.

quote: Tom Petrov
now record on computer directly from a new LP player

..on a side note on this: When copying mono vinyl to computer and not using those USB turntables, from your turntable, take the left RCA plug and put a "Y" RCA female with two males adapter on that one plug.

Connect the male ends from that "Y" and plug them into the L/R inputs of your capture device and you can record true mono sound since this arrangement is only using the left coil of the cartridge.

Thus, with transforming a stereo cartridge into a mono cartridge, gives you great mono captures from vinyl.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 11-27-2011 12:37 AM

How is the music industry doing as a whole? I know that the RIAA (and the MPAA) are going all out with their evil new SOPA bill that will censor the internet. Believe me, it would not be a good thing if that thing were to pass. But are things really that bad? I know that most pop music is a lot shittier these days (which is saying a lot) and that actual good music isn't marketable unless the "artist" him/herself directly is. How are sales now compared to, say, 1980 or 1970? Or even 1990? Adjusted for inflation, of course.

However I do like the idea of buying only the songs I want (though I want to listen to more than a minute of it to determine if I like it). I do NOT want to buy compressed versions of those songs. If I want an MP3 version for my iPod, I will create that MP3 myself from my uncompressed version. Often I will put uncompressed songs on my iPOD. I'm glad I don't have to type in a damn code and connect to the internet to do that like you do with "digital copies" of movies.

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Robert E. Allen
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posted 11-27-2011 01:03 AM

quote: Mike Blakesley
We still sell CDs in our store, but most of our sales now are to people age 30 and older. We do a fair amount of business in special orders, but our biggest sellers are "Greatest Hits" type collections by older artists.

Gee, could that be because the older artists were actually making MUSIC as opposed to the noise that's being described as music today.

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Mark J. Marshall
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posted 11-27-2011 08:37 AM

quote: Tom Petrov
In an iTunes age, do we need the record store?

Nope. And in the not too distant future we won't need movie theaters either.

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Tom Petrov
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posted 11-27-2011 08:40 AM

quote: Mark J. Marshall
Nope. And in the not too distant future we won't need movie theaters either.

Thats not true, thats like saying in the future we will not have any music concerts. People actually still like the big screen experience with packed crowds and popcorn.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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posted 11-27-2011 11:29 AM

I have an older Linn Sondek LP12 turntable, and with a good vinyl pressing it sounds incredible. I traded a friend a DAT recorder for it back in the late 1980's, and have never been sorry. The fact that Linn is still in business and still supports these is a double plus. It means I can get official belts and upgrades for it. In fact, it was just a few month ago that I finally bought the 45rpm pulley adapter for it. The newer ones have a speed switch, the older ones required a motor pulley adapter.

> thats like saying in the future we will not have any music concerts. People actually still like the big screen experience with packed crowds and popcorn.

One, people like live concerts, not necessarily concert halls. Yes, I agree that movie theatres will not disappear, but I really believe that there will be a lot less of them in the future. Streaming is the future.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 11-27-2011 11:49 AM

quote: Robert E. Allen
the older artists were actually making MUSIC as opposed to the noise that's being described as music today.

I would say that there was just as much crap released in the 50s, 50s and 70s as there is today. Each generation likes its own sound. The teenagers of today will think all the music from the 2040s is crap and will be saying "Remember in 2011 when Lady Gaga was making REAL music?"

quote: Joe Redifer
How are sales now compared to, say, 1980 or 1970? Or even 1990?

I don't know actual figures but I can tell you for sure that sales (both in numbers and in dollars) are down a lot from the 70s and 80s "heyday." The mid 70s thru the 80s were the best years for sales. The 70s was when the "album" took hold as the major art form for music, and then in the 80s the introduction of the CD led to not only sales of current artists, but people replacing their favorite LPs on CD as well.

Today, downloading is eroding album sales, and people now have all their favorites on CD. Hence declining sales. It really doesn't have that much to do with how good or shitty the music is. Popular is still popular. It's consumption that's changing.

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Mark J. Marshall
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posted 11-27-2011 01:01 PM

quote: Tom Petrov
Thats not true, thats like saying in the future we will not have any music concerts.

Not the same thing. People don't have music concerts in their house. Also, what Mitchell said.

quote: Tom Petrov
People actually still like the big screen experience with packed crowds and popcorn.

Some do. But fewer and fewer like dealing with those loud obnoxious crowds and their crying kids and ringing cell phones.

Time will tell, I suppose. But I think Mitchell is right. We aren't going to need tons of google-plexes for much longer.

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Tom Petrov
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posted 11-27-2011 05:25 PM

quote: Mark J. Marshall
Not the same thing. People don't have music concerts in their house. Also, what Mitchell said.

Mark-when I say they are similar, there is something about watching a musician in stadium or a movie in a theatre with an audience that just cannot replicated at home.

There will always be movie theatres in my opinion.

quote: Mark J. Marshall
But fewer and fewer like dealing with those loud obnoxious crowds and their crying kids and ringing cell phones.

For the most part, audiences are pretty good. Or maybe I have been lucky? I have no complaints about people in the audience in well over 3 years. Maybe I am lucky

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Joe Redifer
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posted 11-27-2011 06:04 PM

Remember, Tom Petrov, you live in Canada where people are generally a bit more polite and a touch less self-centered (exceptions apply).

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Frank Angel
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posted 11-27-2011 06:12 PM

You are lucky!

Thing is about concerts, they don't open new ones every weekend. They are "events" and that's a big difference. How many concerts does the average family go to every year...every two years? If that's as many times as they get out to see a movie, it would be all over for brick and mortar cinemas. And since someone will go to a concert perhaps once a year or less, whatever annoyances they endure, well, that's part of the deal and they know it and they don't complain because after all, they only have to endure so infrequently. But people certainly complain loudly about the annoyances and inconveniences and unpleasantness of going to the multiplex. I know many many of my friends who proudly proclaim that they will NEVER go to see a movie in a theatre, and not because they don't enjoy the big (sometimes) screen and the great (sometimes) sound, but all the other things that they don't like about the "cinema" experience, i.e., the babbling patrons, the ringing cell phones, those bright texting screens, etc.

As for seeing that old cliché about how wonderful it is seeing a movie with an audience -- let's call it what it is....a bunch of strangers -- that's not all that it's cracked up to be. As my friend says who has a really big 57in HD flat panel LG and an impressive 7.1 sound system, "If I want that "audience feel" in my home theatre, I just invite my friends over. Nice thing about that -- I get to choose who sits next to me and I don't have to worry about body odor, bedbugs and/or lice."

The fact that the studios have made it so easy for the public to hold out for the video release in whatever form and cheaper than a night out at the movies, the number of people who "have to see" a film 1st run will shrink to the point were even the godzillaplexes may find it hard to sustain all the screens they've built.

BTW, DCinema won't change any of that.

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Tom Petrov
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posted 11-27-2011 06:29 PM

quote: Frank Angel
As for seeing that old cliché about how wonderful it is seeing a movie with an audience -- let's call it what it is....a bunch of strangers -- that's not all that it's cracked up to be. As my friend says who has a really big 57in HD flat panel LG and an impressive 7.1 sound system, "If I want that "audience feel" in my home theatre, I just invite my friends over. Nice thing about that -- I get to choose who sits next to me and I don't have to worry about body odor, bedbugs and/or lice."

Frank, for the most part you and I agree, but I cannot disagree more here. There is something really amazing about watching a movie in a packed house with strangers, with a giant screen etc etc. Same thing with seeing a artist and a band in a stadium.

People will spend the money to go if the product is there and the venue is there which creates an experience. When I worked in the cinema, people would boycott my cinema for the huge movies (Matrix 3, Twilight, Star Wars etc) for the megaplex with the massive screen, stadium seating and the whole bunch.

When I moved on from the cinema, I used to manage a bunch young adults (not exactly teens) ranging in age from 18-25, they would frequently make it an "outing" to see certain movies on opening weekend when the movie was released with their friends. I always asked "what theatre?" and they would always say they would be going to the cinema that is the hot spot at the time. No way would they go to the sloped seating, smaller screen bargain cinema.

I think there is a bit of a dis-connect between the experience for those who still work in the industry and those who do not. I don't work anymore at the theatre, and I love going to the movies and I will not say this for all movies but watching "Breaking Dawn" with all the comments, giggles, laughs, cinema doors opening/closing and the clapping at the conclusion is just simply part of the fun...

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