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Topic: The CAP code
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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-19-2000 12:34 PM
I'm not targeting John directly at all. Perhaps he has current involvement, perhaps he does not. Nowhere have I implied one way or the other or that he should personally perform a demonstration. I'm speaking in general.Still though, with the panic printing that typically goes on, when would the labs have the time to apply this so-called code to each individual print? Many prints aren't even steady or have a correctly printed digital track...and I'm to believe they can print this microscopic code on each individual print? No. What a joke! I'm not asking for an explanation of how this miracle code works, just a demonstration. Such a demonstration would NOT give away it's secrets, just prove that it works. I'm fairly certain the people responsible for this CAP code are aware of this thread, or will be very soon. If it REALLY worked, then this request would be no problem and should be viewed as an excellent method to prove to people not to mess with the CAP guys. Think about it, those professional bootleggers are getting their prints from either a manager or a projectionist, right? Is there a better forum for such a demonstration?
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John Pytlak
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posted 04-19-2000 03:23 PM
CAP Code does not add any time to the production process. There is an extra charge to the distributor, however, so some features are not coded. When CAP Code is used, each print has a unique code, even if there are thousands of prints.Brad: Please trust me on this, CAP Code has been used on hundreds of thousands of prints since 1982, and has often been of help in tracing the source of pirated copies. If you are showing a print that has CAP Code, and someone shoots a video of it that ends up in the MPAA's hands, they will trace it to your print. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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Randy Stankey
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posted 04-19-2000 09:16 PM
As far as piracy goes, I would think that studio people aren't really sitting there saying to themselves, "We've got to stop EVERY LAST person who makes a copy of a movie... We have to wring EVERY LAST penny from the pockets of the people." (Okay, they probably do want every last cent )What I think it's all about is that if they let one little guy who copies a video go free then they have less leverage to bust the really big pirates. It's like Copyrights... If you don't defend yourself, you might lose your right to defend yourself in the future. (All facial tissues are called "Kleenex" now) I don't think Lucas is sitting somewhere fretting over some scumbag sitting in a movie theatre with a Handy Cam. However, If he finds out about one of these creeps, he's sure to bust him. If he doesn't he could get himself into the position where some REALLY big creep who's making a whole shitload of copies could say, "But, you didn't bust So-and-So" Okay, I oversimplify... but I think you get the point.
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Carl Welles
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From: Cali
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posted 04-19-2000 10:40 PM
There will ALWAYS be piracy, no matter what anybody says. Why? Because the pirates can crack any code. Look at what they've done with DVD already.The pirates are smarter than the people who come up with the anti-piracy schemes. They always have been. Right Mr. Pytlak? Just look at what the pirates have to work with, and then look at what the people who come up with the anti-piracy schemes have to work with. Amazing what the pirates have done. Yup, they are definitely smarter. Even if the CRAP CODE is real, it in no way prevents piracy. A dub would have to fall into the hands of the correct people for anything to happen. And I assume most pirates would only sell to people they trust. So therefore the CRAP CODE is completely ineffective, unless you try to sell Jack Valenti a copy of a coded flick. And anyway, I think most pirates would be careful enough to copy somebody else's print, so that place gets in trouble and the real pirate is never found. Remember, they are indeed smarter.
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Martin Frandsen
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From: Denmark, Europe
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posted 04-20-2000 04:44 AM
The studios have a right to 'protect' there material against 'illegal' copys made of the films.I beleave John Pytlak when he tells us that the CAP code does work, but understand why he dosen't want to tell us how it works. We don't need to no anyway, right? Yes it might be the small white dots along the frame line that shows up once and a while, i been wondering what they are for  ------------------ It's the new small talk. You do it so awfully well! - My Fair Lady
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John Pytlak
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posted 04-20-2000 05:50 AM
Carl:When a "street seller" of pirated videos is busted, the videos are analyzed by the MPAA. CAP Code allows them to know which print was illegally copied to make the video master. CAP Code doesn't prevent piracy, it only helps PROSECUTE it by tracing it to its source. Even if a pirate copies "someone else's print" (i.e., at your theatre), YOU are held accountable for the security of that print. If you allowed someone to videotape your print, YOU are considered an accomplice. There are a lot of "smart" film pirates in federal prison. Others have lost everything they own in fines and civil action. As I said, with billions of dollars in revenue at stake, the MPAA is VERY AGGRESSIVE in prosecuting film piracy. Brad: Yes, the position of a lab splice would be kind of a "fingerprint". But it would be too easy to circumvent by adding a few more random splices. Sorry, we dismissed that idea 20 years ago. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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Mark Tan-Wanklyn
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From: Singapore
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posted 04-20-2000 08:42 AM
John recently said quote: When CAP Code is used, each print has a unique code, even if there are thousands of prints. <Snip> If you are showing a print that has CAP Code, and someone shoots a video of it that ends up in the MPAA's hands, they will trace it to your print.
What about the time factor, any identifying mark on the film only proved that the illegal copy came from that print. Prints move all over the country, therefore it doesn't prove what cinema allowed the duplicate to be made. Mark ------------------
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John Pytlak
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posted 04-20-2000 11:30 AM
CAP Code uniquely identifies the particular print that was the source for the pirated copy. Since the print passes through multiple hands (lab, shipment to film exchange, film exchange, shipment to theatre, multiple theatres, etc.) in its lifetime, additional evidence is usually needed to convict. CAP Code is primarily used to identify areas requiring further investigation. If the prints at a particular theatre have a pattern of showing up as pirated videos, it raises suspicion and gets attention. If the prints handled by a certain trucking company show up as pirated videos, they come under suspicion.------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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