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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 01-05-2001 08:04 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jason:
Did reel 5 of "School Ties" not have closing credits or a rating tag? Or did the previous theatre cut them off? Usually the first and last reel of a feature are easily identifiable during makeup (even if the leaders are mixed or cut off) since they have opening titles and closing credits.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com


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Jason Black
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Myrtle Beach, SC, USA
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Actually, the more I think about it, the print was actually 6 reels. I remember noting the fact that the credits were, in fact, intact, as they should be. I had NOT noticed that reels 3 & 5 had the reel bands reversed on them , thus causing the mix up on initial build-up. Now a days, I *alyays* look at the imaging on the head AND tail EVEN if it IS a new print. You never know with some of the stuff that comes from the labs these days... Sorry John, but labs aren't perfect either...

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The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!

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Barry Hans
Film Handler

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From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
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Does sticking my fingers into the back of a 16mm projector to check lamp cooling blower ( while machine was running, lamp off ) and having my index fingernail half way ripped off by the shutter blade count? Darn finger feels like when I had some material kick back from my table saw and fractured my thumb knuckle- ouch! Back a few years ago I knocked my self to my knees once running into an Imax reel unit head first! dizzy, blood dripping, swearing at myself no thread time to start with and was able to get the show started on time!

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Paul G. Thompson
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Most painful mistake? Ummmmm - I got my finger caught in the double shutter on a BX-80. Ouch! Could have been much worse. Luckly, the bevel gear stripped.


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James Robertson
Film Handler

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From: Sydney, Australia
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Back in the dark ages when I started (1955) it was routine to run the projectors(Super Simplex) for 10-15mts. before start of show to warm the motors up a bit. I was wiping off the accumulated carbon dust (Peerless Magnarc)from the previous days show. So I open the dowser to give it a clean. Yes you guessed. The cleaning rag gets too close to the shutter. BINGO! Tussles with the shutter. Rag wins.Expensive gear stripping exercise.
Never ever made that mistake again!

Jim Robertson

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Christopher Duvall
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From: Denver, CO
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Fortunately for me, I never had any major mistakes made by me except the rookie type when I was being trained in 1986. I have had film cuts and static shocks, but far as I am concerned, all normal. However, a few years back, a coworker of mine was building up a print onto 6000' reels and he had originally came in to work a management shift. Well, Tony forgot to take his tie off and never tucked in his shirt. He went to rewind one of the reels at high speed and the wind caught the tie and sucked it in. I never saw the incident but I did see the aftermath. The left side of his cheek and forehead were bruised and scraped. I think I would have given up a pay check that week just to see that. Very funny stuff even though I shouldn't laugh.

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Chris Duvall
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John Pytlak
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Christopher said: "Tony forgot to take his tie off and never tucked in his shirt. He went to rewind one of the reels at high speed and the wind caught the tie and sucked it in. I never saw the incident but I did see the aftermath. The left side of his cheek and forehead were bruised and scraped."

Ouch!!!

Never wear a tie or loose clothing around moving equipment. Safety goggles are a good idea too, especially when reels may fly apart.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


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David Kilderry
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OK, OK, I was in a box once where half a house was expecting "The Little Mermaid", what they saw was Steven Segals "Hard To Kill" for the first 5 minutes!

What was the injury here? Someones pride was very badly hurt!

I said I was in the box, I didn't say I did it!


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Pete Naples
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Once held the top sprocket pad arm of Gaumot Kalee 21 in place for three reels, after thing let go from the rest of the projector, I had grooves in my fingers for weeks after that.

Another time with a Westrex Westar 2001 I was gingerly easing running film back onto the hold back sprocket that a really terrible join had pushed it off of, when, you guessed it, there was an altercation between said sprocket and mt right index finger, and the sprocket won.

Most painful thing I have ever seen was during the Edinburgh International Film Festival, a then colleague had placed a 13,000 foot spool containing the film "Speed" onto the top sindle of the tower, and in his haste (it had been a LONG four weeks) had forgotten to put the securing nut on. As he revolved the tower to thread the mech, said 13,000 foot spool slid off the spindle in slow motion, and landed on my unfortunate friends foot. Result was a lot of swearing, a badly bent spool and a badly bruised foot.

I've just realized, the machine in question is the one I'm leaning on in the picture on the left. (The one where my finger got between sprocket and pad roller, and also the tower that dropped the spool onto my mates foot is behind this machine!)


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Alan Plester
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Started with a short first,instead of feature, had to run it twice to get timings back on track, at least only 5 were watching.
Opened up w/s film with wrong lenses in, OOOOOH, BIG PICTURE OR WHAT.
Both done only once in 15 years.

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Darryl Spicer
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Most painful incident was when I was lugging a 13,000 foot reel down the stairs and lost my footing and said reel jammed up my side and under my arm. My whole side was bruised for a week.

Other incident happend to a guy I know. He was running The Rescuers on 60 min. reels. When it changed over it changed into the 2nd reel of Scarface. (F you Mother F you die). All hell broke loose with parents running out of the theater.

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Geoff Bradley
Film Handler

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From: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
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Ouch!
Rick, I haven't been to Cobourg in a long time, is the theatre still there.
What was it called? The Centre? Across from the hotel?

John, why don't you put that 8mm of the carbon lighting in the video section. I would love to see it.

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Rick Long
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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Wow, what goof-ups you have all made. Glad none of those ever happened to me Course, there was that time I left the theatre, after replacing a bridge rectifier in a platter only to get a call from the projectionist that the platter was running backwards.....anyways.

By the mid-70's most theatres had converted to solid state amplifiers. A few, however, (mainly independants) clung to their still-working vacuum-tube technology.

I had just been given my first service route - Northern Ontario - baically a triangle from North Bay to Timmins to Thunder Bay, and I was determined to make an impression, especially at my first stop with tube amps - Sturgeon Falls.

First, the service reports (unchanged since the 50's) were a giant chart enabling the technician to enter such data as plate voltages, pre-amp B+, exciter voltages, ect. Since before the great flood, soundmen had been drawing a line through all this and just entering "checked tubes" under the "Remarks" line.

Not me boy. I was gonna do this right. Using my trusty Simpson 260, I carefully measured and entered every voltage they asked for. Not only that, but I even typed it up when I got home and handed it in on a Monday morning.

Working at my bench, and waiting for the obvious "congratulations - well done" speech from my supervisor, I found him, instead, standing at my bench, drumming his fingers and looking at me like I was an idiot. (Very perceptual man, my supervisor.)


"Ya just hadda do it, dintcha?" he asked. "Now, go get the manual for that amp and check your report against the schematic"

He was right. (I was later to learn that the supervisor is ALWAYS right). The plate voltages were all about 30% low. A little deduction showed the power supply resistors to be at fault. NO PROBLEM! - I vowed to change them on my next service call.

Which I did.

Mind you, the sound was a little more "hissy" than previously, but damn, those voltages were spec.

Proud as punch, I left town and arrived in Sudbury, some 70 miles west.


I had just returned from supper around 8:00 when the desk clerk at the hotel handed me a note.

"Could you come back please, our amplifier caught fire."

Turns out the old electrolytic caps couldn't take the higher voltages.


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Rick Long
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Geoff, if you are taking Ontario, I think you mean the Park Theatre, across from the hotel and half a block from the beach.

It was the most boring booth in the local..Super-Simplex, Peerless Magnarc, Eprad OS-1 and prison bars on the window to prevent (we were told) break-ins. After a few shifts there, break-outs would have been the greater danger.

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Aldo Baez
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Well I've never really hurt myself except the mandatory cuts and scratches from various things. I've also never really done anything bad, although I had to fix someone elses mistake of putting reel 6 of sixth day wrong. Took forever.

Once I was tearing down Me, Myself and irene. I had accidently taken the center ring out, and tried unsuccessfully to put it back in the center. Of course I could only put it back sorta halfway. I started tearing down, I slowly, foolishly put the platter at full speed. There was another movie showing at the same time, it was Pokemon (I was tearing down from the top platter.)

So I start slowly, then go to full speed, and I kinda get scared since the ring is only in halfway holding the film in the center. Well just as I went to slow it down, the ring somehow came out of the hole and the film flew out. Now if you can imagine, a whole 7 reels spinning full speed its alot of force flying around. What happened was that the film *HIT* the tree part of the platter, the ENTIRE platter tree tilted to its side, HIT the side of the projector then flung itself back flat on the ground. Meanwhile after the print nearly knocked over the entire platter mechanism, its momentum slid it completely off onto the ground, not tangled or anything, perfectly flat like if it was on the platter. Amazingly, even though the entire tree had tilted over and hit the projector, the Pokemon did not stop or fall off, it kept going without a hitch. I was just standing there for about 5 minutes thinking of how lucky I just was. Then I proceeded to build up something else because I didn't want to touch tearing down for a few minutes.

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