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Don Sneed
Master Film Handler

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From: Texas City, TX, USA
Registered: Aug 2001


 - posted 11-27-2001 07:53 AM      Profile for Don Sneed   Author's Homepage   Email Don Sneed   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My painful mistake when I was a projectionist several years ago, working at a 3-screen, reel to reel machines, 6,000 foot reels for the feature, 2,000 feet reels for the trailers, got involve watching a damn good movie, theaded a 6,000 foot reel on the machine, took up on a 2,000 foot reel, I had 6,000 feet of film on a 2,000 foot reel at the end of the show.....yep, it fall off the reel as I put it on the rewinder, must have made 100 splices and at that time only wet splices.....that took some time to repair...I bet the film company & the next theatre LOVED ME !!!

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Neil Chue Hong
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From: Edinburgh, Scotland, UK
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 - posted 11-27-2001 08:06 AM      Profile for Neil Chue Hong   Author's Homepage   Email Neil Chue Hong   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've made my (un)fair share of mistakes in the past.

Most painful was probably attempting to stop a full reel on a tower rewinding by sticking my hand between the spokes

Most impressive was when hand winding a 6000ft 16mm reel at speed, the rivets sheared and one half of the reel went flying out the projection booth door - we bought new reels after that.

Most amusing was when showing round some new trainees on their first day on the box. I went "and this is how you dim the lights in the auditorium", pressed the dimmer (an old 1960s monstrosity) - and the dimmer box caught fire! Of course the dimmer box *had* to be located in the proj box... :P

Not sure I ever saw those two trainees again!

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Bob Healey
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From: Milford, CT
Registered: Sep 2001


 - posted 11-27-2001 11:15 AM      Profile for Bob Healey   Email Bob Healey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My worst mistake:
Changed over from policies/previews to the main feature. The takeup reel sounded like the film had snapped. Bent down to visually inspect the film exiting the projector, and caught my sleeve on the motor switch.
Nothing damaged except my pride.

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Daniel Boisson
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From: Buffalo, NY, USA
Registered: Oct 2001


 - posted 11-27-2001 07:36 PM      Profile for Daniel Boisson   Email Daniel Boisson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
i was checking my loops with my finger right after i started the movie. turned my head and the next thing i knew, i had a cut in my finger going really deep. my finger had gotten caught in between the incoming film from the platter and the first sprocket. there wasnt any major damage, but it hurt quite a bit for several days.

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Thomas Hauerslev
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From: Copenhagen, Denmark
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 - posted 11-28-2001 05:44 AM      Profile for Thomas Hauerslev   Author's Homepage   Email Thomas Hauerslev   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think my worst mistake must have been when I added some nice continues and VERY obvious black scratches to ALL 9 reels of "The Last Emperor". I did not discover them until the next morning when our late queen mother (Ingrid) and her son-in-law (Henrik) saw the film at the morning performance at the classy Imperial Bio.

I remember seeing the scratches during the main titles. I rushed the DP70 door up to find out where the hell they were coming from!!! Nothing! I concluded the scratches were done by myself during the previous performance the night before. And sure enough, when going through the complete film path, from the non-rewing and back again, I found a very large cotton-ball like piece of plastic-film-dust on the base of the machine.

I had managed to show the whole film by bypassing the lower fire trap on the DP70.

We took the film apart, had it cleaned, and the scrathes were gone. A learning experience for the whole crew and it never happened again.

PS: I never got complaints from the Queen

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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 - posted 11-28-2001 12:23 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thomas said: "We took the film apart, had it cleaned, and the scrathes were gone."

You were lucky! Sounds like you may have superficially scratched the emulsion side, and the scratches fortunately did not penetrate into the imaging dye layers. If so, an aqueous "rewash" process can often heal these minor scratches:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/processing/operating7.shtml#rewashing

Obviously, it's better not to scratch the print in the first place.

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Paul Harnden
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 - posted 11-28-2001 07:00 PM      Profile for Paul Harnden   Email Paul Harnden   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thomas,

WOW! I have to agree with John, that was very lucky! I also agree that scratches of any kind can be avoided, but like you said it's one of your mistakes, and lord knows we're all human here. Keep up the good work.

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Thomas Hauerslev
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From: Copenhagen, Denmark
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 - posted 11-29-2001 02:43 AM      Profile for Thomas Hauerslev   Author's Homepage   Email Thomas Hauerslev   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks for your comment John. The scratches were on the base side of the film.

Our print had been taken apart and reassembled several times before the premiere (for screenings, TV etc), so in the end, the print actually looked much better/cleaner thanks to the "cleaning".

What amazed me was the fact that the film could actually run on the mechanism. From that day on, I never failed to double-check the lover fire trap, from fear of repeating my "stunt".

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Cheers, Thomas
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Patrick J. McCart
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From: Blue Ridge, GA, USA
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 - posted 11-29-2001 04:34 PM      Profile for Patrick J. McCart   Author's Homepage   Email Patrick J. McCart   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't work the projector at the Swan Drive-In, but I've seen some bad stuff (and experienced some!

I've found some vile/weird things...

- Condoms stretched across the men's room sink (Not used)
- Feces all over toilets
- Toilet paper stuffed down a restroom sink
- Underpants in the toilet
- Half a large pizza on the lot.


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Ken Lackner
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From: Atlanta, GA, USA
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 - posted 11-30-2001 01:43 PM      Profile for Ken Lackner   Email Ken Lackner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wow, I really feel badly for some of you guys. Luckily I have never been seriously injured. The only thing I can remember was not cutting the power when removing the filmtrap on a Simplex 1050. When I disconnected the aperture plate motor, zap! I was used to the Millenium where the connector is enclosed in that plastic structure. But from theat point on, I have made it a habbit to always cut all power when cleaning my projectors, even if I'm not removing anything.

As far as mistakes....I can fill pages! When I was new to building, every week I did something like put a reel on backards, upside down, or out of order. I also put a reel on backwards with The Mummy Returns, but I caught it before it went onto the platter, so I took it off and fixed it.

My current theatre has manual platters. I was used to the Strong AP. Took me a while to get used to switching the payout platter to payout. I had a few brainwraps at first.

I have also dropped more than my fair share of prints. Two cases come to mind. One was Nutty Professor 2. I didn't use clamps, but I did use one of those cardboard donughts. Sorry. It dropped. Same thing with 13 Days. In both cases, the projectors were right next to each other! Talk about emarassing. It's not like I was moving the prints down the hall and around the corner. Oh well. Live and learn. I now always use clamps (at least 3 clamps), and if at all possible I try never to move prints by myself.

As far as getting ties caught, never happened. That's because our manual says to remove a necktie or tuck it under your shirt. I opt for the former. A practice I highly recommend. (Besides, how in the world can anyone run a booth in a suit???) Our policy is also to NEVER do any kind of cleaning with the projector running, for reasons made obvious by some of mistakes mentioned in this thread.

Here's a good one. I was cleaning and lubricating the pad roller assembly on the upper feed sprocket of a Millenium. I figured it would be easier if I removed it and took it to the workbench, right? Wrong! You know that little spring that keeps the pad roller closed? I spent nearly an hour trying to get it back on correctly! I shared my embarassing moment with my tech and we both laughed about.

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Don Sneed
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 - posted 11-30-2001 03:57 PM      Profile for Don Sneed   Author's Homepage   Email Don Sneed   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ken, I can relate to that spring that keeps the pad roller close, for 20-years I could never get that spring back on quickly, I fought it for years, just as I had it in position with needlenose pliers, the assy would come off & I had to hunt for the parts (sometimes I couldn't find them)...I called Strong told them that they had to have a special tool to put these thing on to send me on....the Tech at Strong told me that it would cost $100.00 for the tool, I told himto send me 2 of them...he said " Ok send the check" here is the tool, take a small paper clip or wire compress the spring, insert the clip into the hole on the spring assy shaft & in 5-seconds you should have the assy back on, remove the clip.....I tried this & WALLA...it was done....( of course they did not charge me me for that)...but for that information I would have gladly paid the 100 bucks...I went to the Strong factory, talk with the tech about the spring assy a few years later....he said that there was a tech that wanted to pay 100 bucks for a paper clip...I said "HEY THAT WAS ME !!"...Strong still laughs at that one....I told Strong to put a paper clip in a small box, put a Strong logo on it & sell it....for 20 years it has taken me 10-mins to an hour to get that spring assy on....now it's ony 5-seconds.....Well I glad I can make someone laugh !!

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Paul Harnden
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What's with ties in the booth anyways? Sure it looks nice, but i've had my fair share of incidences involving it getting caught in paths and such. Tie-clips helped, but they always popped off and I never found them. and tucking it in your shirt or pants kinda makes you look silly rather than professional. Before i left I went against the dress code and left my tie off. Never heard anything from anyone, even our tech didn't have a problem and he always found something to talk to me about.

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Ken Lackner
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 - posted 12-01-2001 11:40 AM      Profile for Ken Lackner   Email Ken Lackner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Don, I'm trying and trying and I just can't picture what you're saying.

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Don Sneed
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From: Texas City, TX, USA
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 - posted 12-01-2001 03:30 PM      Profile for Don Sneed   Author's Homepage   Email Don Sneed   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ken, you said you removed the upper pad roll assy to clean & could not get the spring back on, took you an hour....well I did the same, had a hard time myself with that for years until I had enough, I called Strong & they told me the correct way to install it....on the shaft the spring is on, there is a upper spring retainer (looks like a washer was a slit in it) the spring, and a lower retainer....the spring assy fits into a pin on the pad roller arm & & the machine to operate the pad roller arm to keep open or closed....if you remove the pad roller assy, you have to remove the spring assy, to re-install, compress the spring & retainer with a pair of piers, on the spring assy shft there is a tiny pin hole, after compressing the spring the hole can be seen, put a small paper clip or a single piece of strand wire into that pin hole, the spring will now stay in place & compress, install it on the machine & pad roller, once in place, pulll out the paper clip or wire that is holding the spring in a compress state & in 5-seconds the spring assy is not in place with no more hassle !! very simple, but it has taken me 15-years fighting that spring, before I called Strong, now I laugh at it....I always saw that pin hole but never knew that was what it was for....I hope this helps....

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 12-01-2001 04:10 PM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
As a manager who presides over a booth while others run the show; who gives advice to others and only threads the occasional projector, wearing a tie is OK but if you find yourself working around moving machinery the tie should come OFF. Upper management should realize this implicitly.

In the college theatre I used to run, we had a special show and I had to waear a tie. There was a problem and I had to "go to work" so to speak. I went up to the booth and the first thing I did was "shuck off" the tie. The boss looked at me and said, "Why are you doing that?" When I told him that I didn't want to get strangled to death I got a look that seemed to say, "OH! Yeah! Right! Of course! Why didn't I think of that?" Never had that question come up ever again.

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