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Topic: What Projectors do you Like?
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Mark Gulbrandsen
Resident Trollmaster
Posts: 16657
From: Music City
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 08-18-2002 11:59 PM
Richard,
I'll let you re-phrase that question since both Gord and I had it on our lists..........
So now for the re-phrased question............I am also curious why you think its hatred? I didn't see you listed in my Hate to use list..... My answer is that it is unnecesarily complex, too expensive, too many belts, and dual intermittents are really unnecessary for 8/70. The Ballantyne 8/70 represents the best bang for the buck, many used heads are available too. The Iwerks Linear Loop is best bang for the buck in New 8/70 machines, is extremely simple to operate, very small, simple to work on, is pin regesterd, and has 5 to 1(high Speed) pull down resulting in alot more light on the screen, the trade off being a bit more operating noise.
Mark
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Jason Burroughs
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: Allen, TX
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 08-19-2002 01:23 AM
Projectors that I have worked with, and liked:Century SA & JJ
Christie (never had TOO many problems with them) Projectors that I have worked with and think they're OK, at best:
Simplex XL, Simplex Millineum
Cinemaccanica V5 (I would like to try the new curved gates though) Projectors that belong at the bottom of a lake:
Cinemacccanica V8 Brad, I have a V8 that you can work on, if you feel the need some day 
One thing I have to say about the Cinamaccanicas, Pray to the projector gods that you don't have to time the shutters, you have to just about disassemble the projector AND lamphouse to do it, the V5 is easier than the V8 though. To be fair against the ones I've worked with they have around 20+ years of neglect on them.
Oh, and if you talk with Cinemaccanica customer service, don't expect a response back from them.
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 08-19-2002 02:15 AM
One nice thing about the Cinemashakia.....There is no scanner drum for the film to come in contact with. Just the edges of a big Yo Yo. I remember the Vic-4 being that way, but I am not familiar with the rest of those damn things. The only VIC's that I ran was in 1972-1973. I didn't really like them. The only ones I worked on was about 20 years ago in a Marcus house in Wausau, Wisconsin. I was even less impressed by them since I had to work on them. When I walked away from Regal in the mid-90's, AMC needed a local tech. I turned it down because their booths in the area was full of those funky linear potentiometer-pay-out head ORC platters, and you guessed it - VICS! I said, "No, thanks!", but I appreciated the offer. I didn't need the job anyway.
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 08-19-2002 02:47 AM
Pete, the biggest problems I have encountered with some of the Century knock-off's is parts availability, and the second problem is poor quality casting techniques. I am speaking of the Cinecita. However, I have 2 Cinecita machines in operation. The problem is, when something goes wrong with them, it is almost impossible to get sound head parts for them. I have a bad sound lateral guide in one of them, and I cannot get the correct parts! Even the parts coming from Bombay won't fit! The ORC knock off? What a joke. I think they are Cinecita under the ORC name. There was six of those in one of our theatres. Only one is running. The rest were junked because they were junk in the first place. Parts to fit them were just too expensive and hard to get, and when we got them, they didn't fit. The junker ORC's are the food chain needed to keep the other one running. I replaced 5 out of 6 with Pro-35's that were removed from another theatre. When I did that, the projector/soundhead breakdown repair calls dropped next to ZERO! I cannot speak for the Westar, but I have a dead one laying around. It makes a good door stop, and the only thing I do was trip over it when I walk into the back room. I don't know where it came from, but it must be there for a reason. Maybe it is parts availibility since it is stripped to the bone. The next step is the dumpster when I get tired of tripping over it.
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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 08-19-2002 01:40 PM
Pete,
I am thinking of the Indian Westar machine, not the one you have been using. There are still many older Westar/Westrex machine running in the mountain states. Even the stinking bage on the Indian clone is cheap!Richard Hamilton:
Still waiting for your re-phraseology on that question above??????? Mark
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Richard Fowler
Film God
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From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 08-25-2002 12:23 PM
The parent company of Century, outside of their association with Westrex export corporation did not maintain international patent protection in the early 1950's which allowed the spawning of numberous clones in India, Peru, Canada, England, India , Pakistan, Australia, Mexico...some under license and others not. Tarriffs then and now in some countries it made sense to build locally...some of the countries we sell to involve import taxes varing from 1.5 to 100% of the item; with some giving tax relief if local labor is factored in the end product.....I have already seen a clone of the Christie projector in my travels 
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc www.tvpmiami.com
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