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Author Topic: What Projectors do you Like? Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 06-24-2003 03:51 AM                        I would be interested in feedback about the Kinoton FP50 and PK60. These are products for the American market - I never saw either of them in Germany. Obviously the projector head components are exactly the same as on the FP30D or FP30E. Still, I would be interested to find out what you think about these, especially with the complete console.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-24-2003 09:50 AM                     Brenkerts have outlived there usefullness. They don't accept short focus lens well. There are many far better machines out there  |  IP: Logged Luciano Brigite Master Film Handler Posts: 277 From: Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Registered: Jan 2002 posted 06-24-2003 01:31 PM                     Here's my list ( thought I had posted here before but seems I didnt ) Projectors I worked with and like: Simplex Super, E7, XL, PR's up to 1060 Century ( don't remember the model right now) Cinemeccanica Vic.8 and Vic.10 Brenkert/RCA BX80 BX100 Gaumont-Kalee 12,21 Projectors I worked with and don't really like but will work with: Erneman 4,9,10 Prevost 35mm only Gaumont-Kalee 18 Projectors I worked with and don't like Philips FP5 FP6 FP55 FP56 Prevost 35/70MM Projectors I didn't work with and don't want to: none in the list yet. Projectors I'd like to see in action and work with: Kinoton Norelco AA2  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 06-24-2003 03:23 PM                     Probably why the Brenkerts have a little trouble accepting short focal lengths is because the last Brenkert that came off the production line was in the year 1953, maybe 1954. Historically, the BX-100 and the Simplex XL were the first two 35mm mechanisms to have 4-inch lens mounts, either standard or optional. Motiograph and Century both adopted 4-inch mounts by around 1953. (Motiograph did that on their AAA mechanisms, and Century did the same on their late model "C" and CC machines) and other manufactures soon followed suit. Brenkert was dissolved by RCA, after it was determined Brenkert had no future. They only made about 1500 BX-100's before they tossed in the towel. If Brenkert were alive today, all those short-throw problems would have been solved, just like it was for Simplex and Century. As far as the short throw issue some of the Brenkets had, That is not what killed Brenkert. The BX-100 was just as good as the XL, only XL had the market. That's how I see it. Sort of like the Diesel locomotive industry. 85% of the locomotives running around in the United States were made by EMD, a subsidery of General Motors Corporation. The remaining 15% were made by General Electric. Brenkert had such a small market they couldn't survive, even though it was one of the best mechanisms that ever made.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-24-2003 10:06 PM                     Quote: "Come to think of it, I don't recall ever changing a 40-tooth bevel in the BX-100, but I have done a few that had the 48-toother." _________________________________________________________________ I agree that if you got an original 40 toother bevel it would practically run forever. The Wolk replacements would only last 3 weeks to the hour though. The Strand in Manitowoc had 4 BX-100's that ate Wolk gears left and right. It was John Eickooff that finally found 4 original 40 toothers and they ran happily ever after for many years. I think that the shutter blades comming loose and bobbing like they did was hard on the 48 toothers. Oddly, the Wolk 48 toothers were not too bad. BTW: Chicago was at one time a big Brenkert(RCA) town..... Hey you forgot ALCO locomotives at about 8 to 10% of the total. Mark  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 06-24-2003 10:56 PM                     Biggest thing I seen with the shutters coming loose on the Brenkerts is because (1) They tried to time them like a Simplex, and (2) the flanges were over-torqued on the screws with the gaskets missing. ALCO merged with GE I think.....Their locomotives sucked when they were by themselves. I know of three junk ALCO's sitting in Shelton, WA up on the hill....one was sitting on top a big pile of Simson Timber Company's logs. How it got there, I don't know, but it did look kind of funny. Here is something I didn't know....from spring of 1942 to summer of 1945, no Brenkert theatre equipment was in production. The factory manufactured then-secret homing devices to guide returning aircraft to the U.S. aircraft carriers. I have an old navy captain friend who flew in WWII...I'll see if I can determine what they were. [ 06-25-2003, 12:44 AM: Message edited by: Paul G. Thompson ]  |  IP: Logged Per Hauberg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 883 From: Malling, Denmark Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-25-2003 07:51 AM                        Special offer for complete maniacs: My Vic 9 just made it out the booth door an hour ago, and the brand new FP30D is on it's way in. If the Vic is the projector, You allways dreamt of, do look around this afternoon, and we will give You an offer, You can't refuse - on a nice straitjacket with matching cuffs and gag.... p.  |  IP: Logged John Anastasio Master Film Handler Posts: 325 From: Trenton, NJ, USA Registered: Sep 2000 posted 06-25-2003 11:26 AM                        I've seen Brenkerts with 4-inch adaptors on them. In fact, I have a BX60 sitting in my basement with a 4" lens mount.  |  IP: Logged William T. Parr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 823 From: Cedar Park, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 06-25-2003 12:00 PM                     Hey Paul, Ge Did not Merge with Alco, they put Alco out of business. GE was the supplier to ALCO for traction motors and generatos. When GE decided to get into the business, this left ALCO with out a source for these parts and they did not have anything set up in house to build thier own so went ALCO. I have noticed that Baldwin Locomotive Works has not been mentioned as they were Big builders in the early 50's. There downside was they used air for Multiple Unit Operations and Electric for Sanding and Brake Controls. Everyone else was the opposite. As to my Favorite Projector I love the Century SATA's of the mid 80's era. Cinemark put these in before they switched to Christie Package. Least Favorite projector is the Christie P35GPS, Used them for 3 months at the Century 16 in Corpus. Belts Shed really bad in these machine.  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 06-25-2003 01:28 PM                     William, you are right about the merge. Sorry.  |  IP: Logged Per Hauberg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 883 From: Malling, Denmark Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-29-2003 03:53 AM                        Talk about "need to get used to". Kinoton FP30D now fills out the booth of my screen 2 - in action since june, 27th. Beautiful, steady picture with well-distributed light - almost too much for that small 10 feet screen; -the rectifier won't go under 42 A. But on working comfort it fails with a big BØMP in the book - at least for the first two days. That damned turret just sit there and can't be moved - one false move and the film path drops off the spike - and absolutely no room for my fat fingers getting in there to frame picture. Having loaded Dp70 now for 29 years with lights out and one hands tied on the back, this is a culture chock. Anybody know FP30 with single lens holder - better/worse ? I'm close to furious - something has to be done. Learn something every day... p.  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 06-29-2003 09:31 AM                     I think you'll get used to the projector. After dropping the skate a few times you avoid pushing it off the spike. I agree that with the turret there isn't much room at all! Single lens units are much better for space The Kinoton/Philips single lens holder is very easy and fast to change and locks into precise location. The turret is a rather complicated piece of kit, assuming you mean the electronic Kinoton turret. You need a laptop, Kinoton software, and several hundred dollars worth of test adapter dongles to test/calibrate/set-up the thing. Your dealer should be able to do so, or get Kinoton involved directly. I wouldn't advise playing with it without the required equipment, and investing in the dongles for just one turret isn't economically practical. It should work quite well once set up properly though. It will not fail nicely by acting up or giving you some warning though, just quit. With the software you can see how close to failing it is. The principles of operation and the maintenance procedure is way to complicated to describe here! My opinions on the turret: It is very nicely made. Quite fast, too. It's just too complicated. Simplex turrets have problems, but do we really need several microprocessors to make a couple of lenses turn? Speed is great but in North America at least we don't usually need to do online lens changes; trailers and snipes are almost always released in flat and scope. Kinoton should have put in data interfaces instead of needing expensive adapters for set-up and maintenance. Needs more adjustment range; I don't think it will allow top-only masking (common in N.A. multis).  |  IP: Logged Per Hauberg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 883 From: Malling, Denmark Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-29-2003 01:09 PM                        Dave: I believe, You're right. -Today - on third day i have already altered the word about the first two days from furious to hysteric, and todays word seems to be stressed, soon again to chance to "friendly". The skate hasn't even been off the spike today Besides, as already mentioned - when mad on my new "pardner", i can just go inside the auditorium and look at those pretty pictures, and i'll be happy again. I did hear enough about the electronic turret to ask for a manual one from start, but i may also be asking to chance for single lens holder. As for installation and service, i'm lucky to deal with Kinoton directly, having all the help in the world for anything in the box. p.  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 06-29-2003 01:38 PM                       Keep at it, Per!  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 06-29-2003 01:51 PM                        I think the FP30D is one of the the easiest projectors to thread. It has so few rollers left and even though there is not much space between the gate and the skate, it is very easy and quick. You make the upper loop and hold it with the index finger of your left hand, then put the film on the intermittent, hold it tight aginst the casing with the thumb of the right hand, then let it snap closed with the index finger of your right hand. Did you ask for the adapter to realign the turret? It is not entirely precise, but it is quite effective with a little practice. Why did you buy an auto lens turret anyway? It is a waste of money for a 2-screen.  |  IP: Logged

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