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Author Topic: What Projectors do you Like? Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-25-2002 09:54 PM                        What's the supposed advantage of a belt-drive machine, anyway? Is it just that it's easier to replace broken belts than stripped gears? The only belt-drive machines that I've worked with are V-5s, which are not my favorites, although I agree with others that they are very gentle on film. I'd like to see one with the curved-gate modifcation someday.  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 05-13-2003 01:34 PM                     bump  |  IP: Logged Joe Morris Film Handler Posts: 35 From: Papillion, NE, USA Registered: Jan 2003 posted 05-13-2003 03:05 PM                     The only projectors that I've had the pleasure to use are the Monee Universal MSP. They're not much different from a Century JJ, except for the projector is all one unit. I would have to say that I really like my Monee's, except when they break, parts are really fun to find...unless of course, you're in Omaha right next to the guys that made the original from which it's copied...  |  IP: Logged Elvis Navas Film Handler Posts: 13 From: Caracas, Venezuela Registered: Apr 2003 posted 05-13-2003 03:36 PM                     I like: Microtecnica Export Simplex Prevost P60 I do not like: Christie  |  IP: Logged Per Hauberg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 883 From: Malling, Denmark Registered: Jul 2000 posted 05-13-2003 05:58 PM                        Like them (or more than...) Philips: DP70 - adore it ! Old-fashioned, Yeah - me too, -and i'm not asking for anything automation-friendly. I've got the time to stay there, as i learned to as a kid. 70mm runs softer than in any projector, i know, and 35 is pure relax to projector, never getting worn this way. Salesman told me in 1974: For Your use, these are a true lifetime investment. Not planning to step down, i'm beginning to think, he was right. Bauer: U2 - Really nice and solid as a DP70 - but a pain in the ass, when something for once went wrong: Spring holders in penthouse almost made me run away screaming, and no matter, what You need to replace, You'll have to tear the whole projector into pieces. Format chance 35/70 a pain, too. On bigger screen than those 25 feet, i had made them hit, rumours talk about unsteadyness -but i have never seen so. B 5, B 11, B 14 - All really fine - Not possible to wear out. and that's why Bauer had to close, i guess. Noone needed to buy new projectors once these were installed ! Others, as oldfashioned as myself praise the B12 as the best of 35mm's at all. -I saw them, but never tried. Westrex Westar: Helped someone running a few moths once. No problems ever. 40 feet scope, rock steady. Penthouse was there, but not in use since Around the World - first film in machines. -------------------------------------------- Ran them, without loving or hating... Bofa (Bang & Olufsen, Denmark) KM 2 (ca 1950-55) Sure needed some kind of soft-start device, and sure was a devil with worn prints. Cinemeccanica: Victoria 8 A fairly decent 35mm proj, but picture not steady enough to make justice for the size and weight. YoYo sounddrum not nice (same on all Cinemec's) As 70mm - NO thank You ! Victoria 9: The best thing, a most positive salesman could say about it: We've sold several - and they all run every day !! Rock and Roll is here to stay. -Never met one with perfect working shutter. -Better than the rubberband little brother Vic 5, though. Victoria 10 Thanked no to job after visiting booth. -Maybe not the projector's fault - they were held together with spikes and rubber band. Dislike a bit: Bauer U3 - 6000 feet without pain in back was nice, filmpath not nice for the repertoire-house prints, i had to run on them. Never forget very last showings of twenty year old 70mm South Pacific. Film all over the place... Format chance even worse than U2. Rubber bands inside - not worthy to the Bauer name ! ------------------------------------------------ Don't like Cinemeccanica Victoria 5, Victoria 8 (as 70mm) Kalee 12 - Too expensive in oil Kalee 21 - talk about museum - on display only, please ---------------------------------------------------- Would have liked to try working with Prevost P 65 / 70 (??) only visited once - ran as soft as a Dp70 on it's best days. Zeiss Ikon Favorit 70 - very much alike the Prevost. -A spinoff? Very few of the Prevosts in Denmark - last set taken down 20 years ago. Favorit 70 - only one pair - long gone by. ---------------------------------------- Gord, what was Your reason for on all the Bauer's ? Schaeffer, Those lens turrets on the Kinoton's - The new ones, too ? -what goes wrong: electric or mechanic ? Should i go for single lens holder for my upcoming FP30, while i still can ? Anybody else with same trouble as Michael on these ? panic !!! Per  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-13-2003 11:10 PM                     I just find the U2 hard on alignment loops and a pain to repair work on. Also the teflon gate bands tend to build up terrific static The Zeis Favorite 70 was built by Prevost and is the P70 and the Zies Favorite 16mm is also a prevost  |  IP: Logged Michael West Film Handler Posts: 67 From: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Registered: Apr 2000 posted 05-13-2003 11:45 PM                        machines i like: century c, jj machines that are ok simplex xl, 35 all of them machines that kind of make me nervous cinemeccanica vic.5, 8 machine i really like but is way overloaded with odd failsafes IMAX SR i have worked with other machines but did not spend enough time to have an opinion.  |  IP: Logged German Marin Expert Film Handler Posts: 227 From: Verbania (VB), Italy Registered: Jul 2001 posted 05-14-2003 06:37 PM                     I've worked and I like Prevost P60 Century SA Simplex XL Simplex PR 2000 I've worked and I don't like Christie's (easy to work with as a projectionist but it's a freak!) I would like to work Kinoton's some 70mm projector.  |  IP: Logged John T. Moon II Film Handler Posts: 15 From: Las Vegas, NV, USA Registered: May 2003 posted 05-14-2003 09:47 PM                     Projectors I have worked with: IMAX Classic – Solid Great running machine IMAX GT 3D Dual Rotor – More difficult to thread but a true engineering marvel! IWERKS 15/70 Projector Mega Systems 8/70 Projector – Nice picture overall Advanced Image Systems – Maverick Projector – 15/70 unique belt drive system Kinoton PK60D – 35mm projector. Has some flaws, but overall nice to operate.  |  IP: Logged Dan Harris Film Handler Posts: 86 From: Bristol, UK Registered: Jun 2003 posted 06-23-2003 03:50 PM                     I've worked with and like: Cinemeccanica V8 - dual 35/70 model as well as 35 only Cinemeccanica V9 Philips/Kinoton FP20 - despite the fact that the ones I've worked with were not in the best condition Philips/Kinoton FP30 I've worked with and hate: Cinemeccanica V5 - flimsy feel, dodgy shutter drive, unsteady picture Cinemeccanica V4 I would love to work with and I'm sure I'll like: Philips DP70 Philips DP75 Dan  |  IP: Logged Jason Burroughs Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 654 From: Allen, TX Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-23-2003 04:57 PM                     After working with a V-5 for a while, I have have to admit I kinda grew to like them. if the shutter was a bit better designed, better cooling of the gate, and a curved gate with improved steadiness, and an improved soundhead arrangement they'd be a really nice projector. Disclaimer: the V-5's I've worked with were in reasonable shape, just a little neglect, manual turrets. One thing that I did like about it, is that you could strip down the projector to just the main casting with a set of allen wrenches and screwdrivers in not very much time, and it wasn't a huge pain to put back together. Downside, you had to practially disassemble the whole thing to replace the shutter drive box, which are prone to fail. Even the straight gates were quiet running (especially for a straight gate), very gentle on the film, loop size was very forgiving. Also cleaning was pretty simple. Maybe I've just had good luck with Christies, but I think that they have an undeserved bad rap. Yes they require a little more attention, but if you maintain them they put out a nice steady picture, they're quiet (most of the time) and are gentle on film.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-23-2003 05:15 PM                     The Vic5 has a curved gate on the new machines and is retrofitable on older ones (and produces a rock steady image The gear box for the shutter is all metal gears now and if kept lubricated has no problems and water cooling is available as well  |  IP: Logged Dan Harris Film Handler Posts: 86 From: Bristol, UK Registered: Jun 2003 posted 06-23-2003 07:15 PM                     The V-5s we have here hail from '93, but are still in very good condition. They have manual turrets, too. The only problem we have with them is that the shutter drives do tend to to fail. Admittedly, if we actually bought five new drives I'm sure they would be much better, but, shortsightedness in the company means they will only pay for refurbished units. We change the belts and oil regularly to keep them running smoothly, so rarely have any other problems. Maybe when I get my hands on a new model (I'm planning to move to a brand new site, due to open next year) with curved gate and water cooling, I might think a little differently, but I still don't like the whole 'clip together' feeling of them. And the CC-4000H console feels like it might fall apart with the slightest knock! Has anyone got any photos of the new curved gates? Dan  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-23-2003 07:22 PM                     Cinemeccanica V5 curved gate I would like to play with one of these new gates myself, but unfortunately there just aren't any Cinemeccanica houses around town anymore. I always felt the projector was extremely gentle on film and the ones I worked with put out a nice steady picture and was probably the quietest projector I've ever ran.  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 06-23-2003 10:01 PM                     Bah! Brenkerts still rule. I got a letter from Robert Sprague last week, and in the author's text, it was admitted there was an issue with the bevel gear that was supposedly damaged by operators "hammering" the machine to advance it to verify threading. That problem was cured in the BX-100 for the most part when Brenkert switched from the 48-tooth bevel to the 40-tooth bevel gear. Come to think of it, I don't recall ever changing a 40-tooth bevel in the BX-100, but I have done a few that had the 48-toother. The old BX-60 was a cheaper machine, but it was still built like a brick shithouse. The only failures I have seen in them was the framing sector gear (because nobody seems to know how to rack the damn thing in frame,) and the intermediate gear bushing because operators were using oil that was too heavy to get into the bushing and keep it lubricated. Other than that, those machines never seemed to die. They just kept on running and running....even though the intermediate gear was going "Wooga Wooga" on the intermediate shaft....but the picture on the screen was still rock solid! Brad, if I can shit another BX-60, I'll send it to you for test purposes. You'll love it. However, I sent my last BX-60 to Robert Sprague, since he helped build the damn things. He has sentimental value in those old work horses for obvious reasons.  |  IP: Logged

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