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Louis Bornwasser
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From: prospect ky usa
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Randy: Mid morning and afternoon breaks along with 30 minute lunch breaks are state law in most states. Nothing to do with unions.

When I started in the 1970s, the best jobs were Union and the best operators aspired to the better conditions that were Union.

What has changed is that this is no longer a profession. Any business (or union) in its death throes is no bargain.

90% of the best operators were union, 10% not union. To be sure we had our terrible union operators, usually second or third generation (entitled.) Louis

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Frank Angel
I spoke with a 30 year union veteran of the New York's Local 306 who told me that the NY Union for all intent and purpose is dead.
Ditto here... I have a friend in Brooklyn...

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Randy Stankey
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Louis, It's not the existence or non-existence of breaks that fries my bacon. It is the sense of universal entitlement under which people will lay down their tools as soon as the clock strikes 12:00 noon.

At any job I have worked, people had to spell each other for breaks and lunch/dinner times. This includes retail stores, hotels, theaters and other places. Not everybody could go on break at the same time.

Typically, the first person to arrive at work on time gets to pick his lunch hour. If he wants 12:00, that's his choice. If he wants to go earlier or later, it's up to him. There might be two openings for each time slot. (e.g. Two people can go at 12:00 and two people can go at 1:00, etc.) When one person comes back from break he tags the next person who can go on break.

The actual procedure is inconsequential. It is more important that there is an agreed-upon way to dole out lunch times that is fair and orderly.

It is the sense of entitlement which dictates, "All work stops at 12:00," that I don't believe in. Yes, there should be breaks. Yes, the rules should be upheld by law or by collective bargaining agreements or, ideally, by both.

It should be the parameters of the job which dictate the scheduling of breaks, not the other way around.

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Rick Raskin
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Not all work stops at 12:00. Scheduling in many areas is up to the employer. As long as there are no violations of terms set down in the contract relating to shift assignment, guaranteed hours, etc., there is no problem.

When I dealt with collective bargaining there was no guarantee of breaks at any specific hour; or that all work stopped to accommodate them. Quite the contrary, there was always language relating to "the needs of the business" that allowed the employer to accommodate unexpected events.

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Edward Havens
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Years ago, the floorstaffs at Mann Theatres got themselves unionized through. You know what getting themselves unionized got them? A slightly different paid break agreement, and an occasional visit from the local union rep, who does nothing but drop off union-sponsored credit card applications.

If some people think the unions are a joke, maybe it's because the union people they've had to deal with are jokes.

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Michael Marini
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I am geting so tired of people on this site talking shit about unions when the have no clue of what they are talking about.The front of house here at the AFI Silver Theatre went union and there pay went from 7.00HR to 10.00HR 1st year,2nd will be at 11.00 and they 3rd will be at 11.75, and DBL time for holidays.
And all this for 19.00 dollers a quarter.

ps: they also get tips

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Chris Slycord
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Can you say "anecdotal evidence"?

Just because good things happened in one unionized situation doesn't mean it happens all the time and it further doesn't mean that people claiming to have been in or seen bad situations "have no clue of what they are talking about."

Seriously, people posting here on both sides of the discussion have agreed that it isn't black-and-white and can depend on the union in question, company working with them, and any negotiations.

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Richard Hamilton
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Michael ...good for you, but my personal experience with union workers is that they suck ass. When I am on site and am trying to meet a deadline so that i can be somewhere else, and some fuck demands a "smoke break" fuck em, they can go to hell. I end up doing twice the work to make up for the shit that they are "entitled" not to do, and they get paid very well for that fag they are smoking.

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Joe Redifer
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Smokers will always require a smoke break, union or not. They will whine if they don't get a smoke break. Remember, smokers are entitled to many more breaks than non-smokers. Solution: Don't hire smokers for any job, ever. The entire world should follow this rule.

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Michael Marini
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What the hell are you talking about

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Randy Stankey
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Rick, when my first theater, Cinemark, was being built unionized construction still had control of the building. That is exactly what they did. At 12:00 noon, all work stopped. Guys started drifting back at approx. 1:15 pm. Work would not usually begin again until 1:30 pm.

These guys would do crazy things like wait until we left the building then they would paint all the doors and try to tell us we couldn't go back in until the paint was dry... THEY got to determine when it was dry. This usually took about a half a day.

They spent more time trying to make other people's lives miserable than they spent doing actual work!

I don't care if union dues are $19.00 or 19¢. I do not want any of my union dues money used as campaign contributions or special interest donations towards candidates or causes that I do not believe in. I don't care what your political affiliation is. The fact remains that the UNION decides how to spend that money, not ME.

Like I said, the IATSE local in this town is little better than a bunch of monkeys. Combine that with the childish behavior and the sense of entitlement I have seen in other unions. I don't want any part of that crap!

I am not against the idea of unions. In fact, unions are often a good idea. It is the idiotic, childish, bureaucratic fools RUNNING the unions I don't like. If we could get rid of the idiots, I'd probably join up.

Until then, UNION = [bs]

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Michael Marini
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Hey Chris its ok with you that randy calls IA people monkeys.All i can say is there most be a lot of Rush fans on this site

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Richard Hamilton
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Micheal, please go on strike and quit posting here. Sorry, is it Michael or michelle? My spelling is bad

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Michael Marini
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[fu]

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Richard Hamilton
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Did you post that finger on Union time?

quote:
Martin,
My problem with unions is that I have run into some real assholes on jobsites and they have an attitude because they are "union". We did an install near Chicago, and all of the trades were "non-union". After the theater opened, almost every night there were screens that were slashed, Toilets that had socks filled with concrete mix dropped in them, and even a pipe bomb. All the pissed off union workers, angry because we hired non union hard working workers.

Like I said in an earlier post, I was doing a job that I had done for years. The factory workers went on strike, and I had to cross the picket line every morning to do my job. My so called "friends", even older ladies would yell and spit at me and call me a "fucking scab". All because I wasn't a part of their little club


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