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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Part 2 Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 05-09-2007 09:53 PM                     Whoever had the print I just made up of Knocked Up: BY SOME REAL SPLICING TAPE, ASSHATS! Every reel was attached with some sort of shitty clear splicing tape. It had gone all brittle and left a bunch of residue on the print. So at each head and tail, I had to clean this shit off as best I could. I spent about an extra hour total because of this. And please decide if you're gonna splice on one side or both: don't do some of them one way and some of them another. Is it too much to ask that people use standard equipment that doesn't leave shit on the print? Apparently, the answer is "yes."  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 05-09-2007 09:59 PM                     What's wrong with splicing some one-sided and others two-sided? I admit, I don't see why you'd do this, but it doesn't seem that it rises to the level of "suck." At least you'll annoy the changeover and platter people equally. Kind of like splitting the difference. I guess I could see 2-sided on heads and 1-sided on tails, but it's a stretch. Get yourself a good solvent, Chris. Try VM&P Naptha, or Filmguard, or 1,1,1-tricholorethane if you have it. Even alcohol in a pinch. It'll really help to get the nasty tape off. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 05-09-2007 10:09 PM                     Splicing some one way and some another wasn't that big of a deal. I was mostly annoyed by the fact that they used completely sub-standard products on the print. The extra work was from getting rid of the residue. And I say using the cheapest stuff out there that stays on the print is a reason to say you suck. edit: And either way, whether you were running a changeover or not you'd have to take the splice off, clean it up, then resplice because all the splices had big bubbles (including the couple that were double-sided).  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 05-10-2007 02:27 AM                     CHRIS!.... ....LOL ... you should have lived in the days of wet splicing acetate..and getting prints with splices that were horribly put together. (AND you had no choice BUT to cut two frames to remedy all of this..) NOW, that was a treat to perform with bench inspections that we had to do in removing horrible splices and making the print run better in the machine. ...like finding splices that were the one side wasn't scraped to frost completely and hanging together by a quarter of the length of the splice, both sides were scraped to frost instead of the left side, splices that would have broken in the projector being so way off aligned-(which one can easily tell that it was done on a "FoxSprocket" Griswald splicer), splices that were done wet,but still held together with that old cellophane tape on both sides. electrical tape to hold them....et.al. Tons of stories of how wet splicing was performed by booth clowns of yore...and I would just hate to see how those machines and lamphouses looked at these theatres... Maybe someone in this forum can chime on their wet splicing experiences that they've come across for the newbies here in this forum.....be kinda fun to hear of them... -Monte  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 05-10-2007 03:44 AM                     And my "you suck" wasn't unfounded. The print's already dirty and the movie isn't even being released for almost another 3 weeks. I could tell every time a splice was about to come by the gradual increase of dirt, obviously culminating in the actual splice. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie though.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Sisemore Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day! Posts: 3061 From: Rockwall TX USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 05-11-2007 02:19 PM                     DeLuxe Toronto: YOU SUCK! Are you now so cheap that you have to make up an entire print out of short-ends? My print of Delta Farce has so many lab splices I quit counting... and the one REALLY bad lab splice that someone made that was actually at AN ANGLE that caused the film to come completely off of the top sprocket is inexcusable... Oh, yeah, you can lay off of the CRAP code as well, I saw almost as many CRAP dots as I did lab splices. -Aaron  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 05-11-2007 02:42 PM                     Aaron, you being on the west coast normally get Deluxe Hollywood prints. Us on the more eastern side of the country get Toronto prints on almost everything. Sometimes if I get a couple of prints (one from each lab) of the same movie, I will do comparisons. The Toronto prints are bouncey, bouncey, bouncey! grrrrrrr Nobody has ever given me a straight answer as to why this lab consistently churns out prints with vertical bob to them. All I know is that the loop printers used at Technicolor and Deluxe Hollywood do not suffer this problem. You can tell a Hollywood print because the print number on the sticker on the leaders will have an L in front of it (for Loop). The Toronto prints will have a K (for K-printers...or Krap) in front of it.  |  IP: Logged Chad M Calpito Master Film Handler Posts: 435 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Apr 2006 posted 05-11-2007 04:17 PM                        One thing I noticed after rewinding reel 3 of 28 Weeks Later this morning was that the header was not even there, just maybe 5 inches of clear film lab spliced to a frame that had been spliced in half, plus, one side of at least 4 inches of sprocket holes were damaged. This is a brand new print. So, I had to cut of that much due to the damage. So, whoever at DFS did this, you suck! This reel was Tails-Up. There was no other problems with this reel. Otherwise, all other reels were great.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 05-11-2007 04:46 PM                     Was it a TAPE splice, as in a typical theater type of splicer did it, or was it a lab splice of some sort? DFS does not do repair or even knowledgeable inspection work unless they send the print off to a facility. As such, I don't think DFS was at fault. I think it was probably the lab.  |  IP: Logged Michael Moore Expert Film Handler Posts: 188 From: Dover, DE / USA Registered: Jun 2006 posted 05-11-2007 07:59 PM                        Can people just buy real laboratory label tape to label there Head leaders. It is not really all that expensive it leaves no adhesive residue and it sticks really well. you can get if from any Scientific Lab supply house. I hate Masking tape and the people who use it on film!!! you suck  |  IP: Logged Chad M Calpito Master Film Handler Posts: 435 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Apr 2006 posted 05-11-2007 11:49 PM                        In answer to your query, Brad, it wasn't a tape splice. It was a lab splice. What's unusual was the fact that there was no reel header and a frame was cut in half, including the length of the sprocket hole damage. Which makes me wonder why this occured. This is the first time I've ever encountered something like this. Luckily, the 3rd reel for the most part (99%) of it was undamaged. Anyway, you could be right though, Brad, that it may not be DFS fault, but, the Lab themselves. Whoever did a sloppy job, Sucks!  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 05-12-2007 12:04 AM                     The DFS depots only have one cheap busted up tape splicer loaded with the cheapest shit tape available used for manually attaching trailers to the heads of reel 1 where the studio changed their mind after the prints were made. No way do they have an ultrasonic. That was a lab goof.  |  IP: Logged Bruce McGee Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1776 From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular. Registered: Aug 1999 posted 06-10-2007 09:30 PM                     I am running a bunch of free films this summer. The first two, Wallace and Gromit (Were Rabbit) and Flushed Away showed up this week. Last night, I built them onto the platters. I figgered that after all of the griping on these forums about improper film handling that somehow films would be in better shape when I get them. Wrong again. I found the head and tail leaders all tangled up in the bottom of the box for Flushed Away, along with a load of trailers wound onto the head of reel one, which was wound backwards on the reel. I did get a fairly nice threading leader for my theatre out of this. As for Wallace And Gromit, there is shoe polish allover the heads and tails of each reel, and the print has tail-wrapped several times. MANY opaque tape splices in the film, too. One gripe, they cut the MPAA rating leader for no reason, and put their ID allover the rest of the rating. Nice gooey tape. I got it off the print, but am not looking forward to seeing it on the screen. Both of the prints had masking tape holding the ends down. Someone at DeLuxe used white tape to re-tape down the film end, but they didnt bother to remove the gobs of old tape before applying new tape. What a mess. I guess this is a sample of the way things will be this summer at the movies. I'm glad I like inspecting films thoroughly. It took longer to inspect them than their total run time! At least, when these films go back, they will be in good shape.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Pitt Master Film Handler Posts: 266 From: Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK Registered: May 2007 posted 06-11-2007 12:26 AM                     In the UK, most trailers are supplied with a short 'header' displaying the BBFC rating of the trailer (U, PG, 12 etc) for a few seconds before the actual trailer starts. It's equivalent to the MPAA green screen showing that the trailer is approved. For some reason, both of the Vue cinemas I go to tend to cut these off and just have the trailers running back to back. Big mistake! Cutting off the BBFC rating also affects the soundtrack, which is read a bit further along the film. You often see the trailer start, then about 1.5 seconds later the sound suddenly cuts in. I assume they cut off the BBFC ratings because they have their own card "The following trailers are appropriate to the feature certificate" that's shown before the trailer reel starts. Do any other UK cinemas do this? Also, putting aside equipment failure (like the Opticue one I mentioned in another topic), the main problem I've seen is starting out of frame. At one of the Vue cinemas, the procedure is to do manual starts whenever possible and watch the screen - so the focus and framing can be adjusted if necessary. There's something... disconcerting... about the first advert (or trailer notice) moving up and down like a TV with bad sync. Whoever spliced together the print of Bridge to Terabithia I saw - you suck! Making the first splice in mid-frame so that it throws the rest of the movie out of frame; I can imagine there were many unhappy customers! [ 06-11-2007, 03:21 PM: Message edited by: Thomas Pitt ]  |  IP: Logged Justin Gorka Expert Film Handler Posts: 174 From: High Wycombe, England Registered: Apr 2006 posted 06-13-2007 07:08 PM                     I work in the UK for Cineworld and we are very careful to leave the certs in and to check for the soundtrack at the start of the trailers (especially WB trailers). Nice gentle fades between the trailers and no annoying premature starts! With regard to spicing we remove our torn splices and carefully tape (both sides!) the header/footer back on to the print.  |  IP: Logged

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