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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Part 2
Louis Bornwasser
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 - posted 02-11-2007 09:51 AM      Profile for Louis Bornwasser   Author's Homepage   Email Louis Bornwasser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Gentlemen: what WE write about is the symptom, not the disease. "Entertainment" is the whole of the experience from the street, parking lot, inside, concessions, bathroom, the auditorium, the presentation and back out. Moreover it may also include the ANTICIPATION as well!

While we are limited to do the best we can, the owners and supervisors need to reaffirm the entire experience in terms of excellence. Louis

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Louis Bornwasser
what WE write about is the symptom, not the disease
..guess,that's probably why there are 4000 plus of us members that have signed up on Film-Tech in learning about this "disease" and to find ways to remedy this condition.

Then, to downtrain in controlling to eventually healing this "disease" from what is learned here - a disease that has come on within the last 30 yrs or so and continues to grow ...

..gonna take lots of work and time and working together...

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Brian Guckian
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For so long as film exists and continues to be projected somewhere in the world...it can be done Mr. Fullmer! [thumbsup]

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Paul Van Dusen
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SO this was a crappy week for building movies for me. Let's see, where to begin...

Alpha Dog: I had to re-assemble every reel cause I had nowhere to put my drive pin. Everything else went smooth until I came to the last reel. Apparently the last theatre had a film break about 5 feet from the end of the reel when they were rewinding. Did they take the 3 seconds to cut the jagged ends and resplice, no, the took a nice peice of masking tape on it and called it a day.

Casino Royale: Every single reel was heads up, but had the tail on the outside of the reel. So it took a few rewinds of every reel to figure out that the last projectionist was an idiot.

Moster House: So this one is a special case. It's a special show for a kids birthday part and there is no time to preview, so it's got to be perfect. So of course, have the reels a tails up, the other half are missing the heads.

Like I said, really bad day thursday.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Paul Van Dusen
really bad day thursday
...I get them as well. My Casino Royale print was spaghetti in the "FoxBox" - leads not taped down as they should.

Also, three reels were cut where the operator wanted to cut on breaking down-not on the assigned joins, thus the head lead reference frame didn't match the front of that assigned reel, but I immediately figured out that this lazy practice was in store for me to solve.

Thx goodness, that TECH gets things organized in their cans for the next theatre. None of this nonsense exists from TECH shipments.

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Brad Miller
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That's because Tech doesn't ship out a used print to another theater unless they have opened the cans and verified it is the right movie, the correct number of reels and such. ETS/Deluxe/DFS (whatever you want to call them) is a "ship only" facility. They don't even open the boxes/cans before shipping them out again.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Yea, know about that - been to an ETS plant where tons of film comes in and tons goes out ... unopened and unchecked.

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Paul Van Dusen
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that Casino Royale was missing half the credits and the first reel was shedding like crazy. So of course I get a replacement print. It was delivered Sunday morning to the putt putt place next door. Nice huh

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Stephen Furley
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Thank you to the idiot who lost us our Saturday morning children's show this morning. The film was 'Over the Hedge', only released quite recently. Print arrived yesterday, the projectionist who should have been on duty was ill, a young fellow, who works mainly in the box office and has only recently been trained to project did the first show, and I was called in to cover from 17:00. I had two shows to run, one each of 'Bobby' and 'Venus', and 'Over the Hedge to make up for today; should have been an easy evening. Looked at the first reel, it was tail out, so I started at the end, Leaders were loose, and the ends not taped down, but the wind was good, and the print seemed to be clean. Put parts 4 and 5 on one spool, then started with part 3 on another, when I opened the can for part two it looked very odd. The start and end of the reel were evenly wound, and with reasonable tension, but in the middle was 500 to 600 feet wound very badly. This section was so loose that I had a job to get it out of the can without it falling off the core. The wind was all over the place, up to about 5mm out of line with the rest of the roll. The edge of the film was clearly damaged; at first I thought this was just through being squashed by the lid of the can, but on closer inspection there was very bad perforation damage on the track edge. Some of the perforations were actually torn, not easy with polyester, others were stretched out in odd shapes, or punched larger. There were also teeth marks between the perforations. On the other edge, the perforations were 'pulled', but that was all. In one part of the damaged section every fifth perforation was damaged worse than the others; it was almost as if it had been run on a sprocket with four teeth per frame on one side, and five on the other. There were no teeth marks in the picture area, nor on the edges of the film, so it seemed to have stayed in line with the sprocket teeth, even though it must have come off one sprocket to cause the teeth marks between the perfs. The damage was so bad that I was doubtful if it would even run through a projector. I called the Duty Manager, she spoke to one of the technicians, but they were'nt able to get a replacement, and so they had to cancel, and we lost the show.

There wasn't time to screen any of it between shows, as the audience was coming in for the last show as soon as the previous one finished, but I did run a bit of it with the lamp off. It ran, very noisily, for a few seconds before jumping on the sprocket and losing a loop. During those few seconds I could see from looking at the perforations in the gate that it would have been so unsteady that there was no way we could have run it anyway. There was a wide base-side scratch for good measure.

Damaging the print that badly was bad enough, but not reporting it was even worse. I hope you get the large bill for print damage which you were obviously trying to avoid (the bill, not the damage).

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Mark Strube
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I'm currently a projectionist "wannabe," applying at a few theaters, so I'm not totally sure about the cause of the issues I saw at this particular showing of Bridge To Terabithia.

A friend and I made the trip to the Johnson Creek, WI Star Cinema to see this (about 40 min away). I called ahead of time and found out it's on screen 8, which is their large THX certified Dolby Digital EX auditorium. 52 ft wide screen, but slightly smaller for Terabithia since it's in the 1.85 ratio.

I went to this theater because of the great experience I had seeing Miami Vice there last summer. I would probably say that was the clearest picture I had ever seen at a theater (I've never seen digital projection, and most of the local theatres leave a lot to be desired), and the sound was quite nice, too. Very good dynamic range on that movie, and this screen has the subs to really give that extra kick. (On their 2 other smaller THX certified screens I know they have 4 18" JBL subwoofers each, so I'm sure this one has at least that.)

Now, Bridge To Terabithia. I saw this on a Thursday, so the movie had been playing for only a week. The first thing that struck me as soon as the trailers started, is that the picture looked extremely soft. Once the movie started, we noticed the projector was a bit off-aim too, cutting off the bottoms of the letters in the Disney logo. It was also slightly jumpy. Tolerable, I've seen much much worse, but I don't remember that problem with Miami Vice. Once the opening titles started, the soft focus of the image really came across, and my friend went out to tell someone about it. After he did, the guy who was cleaning the popcorn machine (I don't know if that's also their projectionist) stood in the theater for a few minutes, and then left, with no changes made to the picture quality.

Another glaring issue was the brightness of the picture. At first it appeared there was something wrong with the lamp, since the brightness level was constantly changing, but then I noticed it was different areas of the picture that had the brightness constantly changing, it was extremely obvious in brighter shots of the movie, and rather distracting. Dirt on the film or in the projector perhaps?

Put simply, this kind of picture quality would not get certified by THX.

Oh, and one last tidbit. I had been emailing with Star's director of operations about a seperate issue I had with Casino Royale (in a different, smaller THX certified auditorium) where the sound level was quite low, while the subs were just taking over. He informed me that their 3 THX screens are calibrated and certified every spring/early summer, so perhaps that's the "sweet spot" of time to see movies there.

So, I'm wondering what you guys think the reasons for these issues are? Both because I'm curious, and if I do become a projectionist, it can only add to my experience.

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Christopher Meredith
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quote: "Mark Strube"
Another glaring issue was the brightness of the picture. At first it appeared there was something wrong with the lamp, since the brightness level was constantly changing, but then I noticed it was different areas of the picture that had the brightness constantly changing, it was extremely obvious in brighter shots of the movie, and rather distracting. Dirt on the film or in the projector perhaps?
Sounds like bulb flicker to me. Probably a very unstable arc due to any number of causes, most likely just an old bulb needing to be changed out.

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Jon Miller
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ETS: Care for some Century intermittent oil to go with that vinegar on Print #00001 of Fellini's "Roma"? [Smile]

I built and ran that print for the 2007 San Diego Latino Film Festival as part of a guest curator program. Needless to say, the unmistakable stench of VS gave me a big headache while inspecting the print. While running the show, the booth smelled like a spill at a vinegar plant. Warpage was mild, but time will take its toll... [Frown]

This suckage is only made worse after working the day before on a 2005-vintage reissue print of "Rebel Without a Cause" from the Warner Brothers archives, a print in very good shape. Some people just don't know how to safeguard their classics.

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Bill Gabel
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Back in the late 80's a projectionist in Los Angeles ran a small film cleaning company. One of his clients was United Artists. He cleaned and coated many of their prints. It sounds like you got one of them. The stuff was called Tomacoat.

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Mike Croaro
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Hi Folks:

Went to the Rheem Theatre, Moraga, CA to see "The Last Mimzy". It was playing in the large downstairs auditorium. The picture is so dim that daylight scenes look like nightime shots. Also, the projected image is smaller than the screen area so theres a "soft border" on the top, left, and bottom of the screen.

Apparently the theatre is no longer operated by North American Cinemas. The owners of a local reataurant now operates it. Spoke to one of the onwers who denied that anyting was wrong with the brightness and didn't seem to care much about it. I guess I'll cross this cinema off my list.

Mike

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Chris Slycord
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Can't remember what movie it was but this just pissed me off.

The print Was BRAND NEW; no splices/tape at any of the heads/tails of reels. Yet when I get to the 3rd reel, there was no tail. So I had to just assume that this really was the end of the reel. And add to that, where they normally force the tail into a slot in the reel's core, they did this with the actual film since it had to tail to speak of. I know some of you don't like taking out a "matching" frame but in this case I ended up taking out a bunch more than that because a good chunk was all chewed up by being forced into the reel.

I had to cut this F'd up chunk out, pull some head/tail from something I threw in the trash and stick that chunk to that so that I could make myself a new tail.

So whoever make that reel: You suck.

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