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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Part 2
Blaine Young
Master Film Handler

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From: Kirkland, WA, USA
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 - posted 11-30-2006 01:36 PM      Profile for Blaine Young   Email Blaine Young   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
These are exactly the points I was trying to make. Those of us that are in it for the love of film and the love of the presentation are few and far between. Almost anyone can be tought to pull film over some rollers and slap it into the projector head, push the blinking green button and then fix the framing afterward. But little respect is paid by the owners to those who do actually care about the presentation.

You're right, Mitchell, paying bad film handlers more will not make them good handlers. And as some have reported here and elsewhere, the biggest problem today is the pittiful work ethic. It's almost impossible to find theater staff that are committed enough to work in the booth, that can be on time every day, who don't thread the projector with the wrong film (when doing splits), and who can actually start a film in frame and properly thread a sound head.

I'm not going to say that I miss the days of Union Projectionists, however back in the union days, you worked as an apprentice to an experienced film handler, learned the proper procedures and techniques. They were being taught how to be a professional projectionist - not an usher that simply wants to use his phone during work hours to text his girlfriend. That structure is sorely missing in my opinion.

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Brian Guckian
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 - posted 11-30-2006 07:24 PM      Profile for Brian Guckian   Email Brian Guckian   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's good to talk about these things. [Smile]

It's really great to just put the facts down in writing. Of course people think "yeah, so tell me something new". But it facilitates clear thinking.

We need to re-professionalise the job of the Projectionist, globally. We need to change perceptions, and in doing so this will change things in the industry.

First thing, let's kill this nonsense that it's an "easy job". Let's communicate the truth which is that it is a skilled job done by committed, dedicated professionals. (Professionals get paid properly and get good benefits).

I know this is now going off-thread, so I propose starting a new thread. Should I put it in Yak?

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Charles Greenlee
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 - posted 11-30-2006 08:07 PM      Profile for Charles Greenlee   Author's Homepage   Email Charles Greenlee   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just what I was going to insist on Brian. This is a good topic, but it has now grown beyond it's parent thread, and deserves its own thread.

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Brian Guckian
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 - posted 12-03-2006 07:27 AM      Profile for Brian Guckian   Email Brian Guckian   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OK. I think the important thing is to discuss this in a technical, factual way, as it is impacting significantly on the the technical area, much as we'd like not to think so.

Also, my error above, the Yak Forum would not be place for the thread since that is for all non-film, fun stuff. Sorry!

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Charles Greenlee
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 - posted 12-04-2006 03:57 AM      Profile for Charles Greenlee   Author's Homepage   Email Charles Greenlee   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Brian Guckian
Also, my error above, the Yak Forum would not be place for the thread since that is for all non-film, fun stuff.
And you shall be flogged for your mistake. Floggings can be so much fun. [Big Grin]

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Adam Martin
I'm not even gonna point out the irony.

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 - posted 12-04-2006 02:27 PM      Profile for Adam Martin   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Martin       Edit/Delete Post 
I think splitting this thread at 1500 posts worked. If not, then I'll fix it later. Move along ... nothing left to see.

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Paul Van Dusen
Film Handler

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 - posted 12-22-2006 12:27 PM      Profile for Paul Van Dusen   Author's Homepage   Email Paul Van Dusen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Whoever broke down our print of One Night With The King at the last theatre needs to have their scrote spliced into a movie and played.
I'll start at the beginning....

So to begin with I don't have any empty platters to build on so I decide I'll just put it on 6k reels and put it on a platter after we close. I open the cans and all the reels taped down, which I normally don't really care about, but this tape was no bigger than my thumbnail. So as I start to start to pull the heads off I realize that the ID frame on reel 5 doesn't match the reel. After a series of rewinds to put the reels on the 6k reels I find that none of the tails are on the right reel and all the information about the reel has been cut off the tail. Of course the tails that i would later find out were for reel 4 and 5 don't match anything. So I decide to throw caution to the wind, despite not knowing if reel 5 even went with the movie, I decide to build it up and just stay till 3 am and watch it. I noticed when splicing reel 4 and 5 together that the frames, and even the splice that was slightly angled, matched up perfectly in the middle of a scene. That's when my hatred for being a discount theatre hit the red. Apparently the booth clown at the last theatre decided that reel 5 needed half of reel 4 on there as well. What probably happened is he missed the splice while breaking down and didn't bother to fix his mistake. So I splice that with clear tape and find the real splice when I'm putting the reels on the platter just to confirm the heads and tails and re splice it just for good measure. Did you ever just wish they would publish what theatres the prints come from so you could make a trip to beat the ever living hell out of someone.

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Luci Reeve
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For our main Christmas picture we got THE HOLIDAY. ETS delivered it and then the blizzard hit Denver. I tried to report the scratch, that ran through the entire print, on Friday but the lines were busy. I finally got through to a machine on Saturday (Christmas Eve) and got a call that I would be getting a replacement which finally arrived Tuesday.

My rant is this: Did the scratch happen on the last showing or did someone just not care? Is there a penalty for scratching a print? Doesn't the film company realize that it is more important to show the best possible picture to the customer? Shouldn't scratched prints be pulled? The replacement print wasn't scratched so I know they are out there. Isn't it cheaper to send out the best possible print to the sub-run house than to have to re-send a replacement?

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Luci Reeve
Did the scratch happen on the last showing or did someone just not care?
It probably happened on the first show in the previous theatre the print was in. And nobody cared.

quote: Luci Reeve
Is there a penalty for scratching a print?
There should be, but apparently not.

quote: Luci Reeve
Doesn't the film company realize that it is more important to show the best possible picture to the customer?
Apparently not, because (outside of shipping out replacement reels and/or phasing in digital cinema) nothing is done to stop the problem of reels being ruined by idiots in the field.

quote: Luci Reeve
Shouldn't scratched prints be pulled?
Yes, and sometimes they are IF the problem is brought to attention of the depot.

quote: Luci Reeve
Isn't it cheaper to send out the best possible print to the sub-run house than to have to re-send a replacement?
You'd think, but since most bad prints play happily for weeks without registering any complaints, it's probably more cost effective to ignore them until somebody says something. Sad but true.

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Charles Greenlee
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Well, I know it's not our copy, since we still have it. Buuuut....
quote: Luci Reeve
Is there a penalty for scratching a print?
Yes, we get penalized for damaged prints, and have since I've worked there. But if you ask me, we were falsely charged, we had to replace a reel due to a soundrack synch error. They still charged us for the replacment reel, even though the problem happend at the lab, and not at our theatre.

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Frank Angel
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quote: Charles Greenlee
Yes, we get penalized for damaged prints, and have since I've worked there. But if you ask me, we were falsely charged, we had to replace a reel due to a soundrack synch error. They still charged us for the replacment reel, even though the problem happend at the lab, and not at our theatre.
Sync problem? That's absurd. Your theatre company needs to hire a good lawyer and make ALOT of noise about this. Just because someone sends you a bill doesn't me you pay it. That is unless they owners know so little about film that they think the film company is right. Bet they wouldn't pay the concessions company if they sent you a carton of rotten soda syrup. Truly these people should just give it up and get themselves a Burger King franchise and be done with the movie business all together.

PS...if you give me the manager's address, I'll send him some bills of my own...maybe he'll pay me as well. DUH.

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Charles Greenlee
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I wish it was on our GM. Then I could pass along the snetiments. Beleive me, I already told her it was a huge steamy pile of poo. However, the bill goes straight to corporate somewhere. Maybe our bookings dept? Whoever gets it, then enters it into out ?PNL? report. I don't know. From my understanding, Regal normally investigates when we file a film damage report with them, rather than automatically trust the distributor. Carmike, on the other hand, has always paid, whether our fault or not, film damage fees, at least they eventually pay it. I could be wrong, since I couldn't see exactly what went on, just relaying what I put together from my manager at the time, complaining about the fees.

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John Wilson
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They paid for a lab's error? That's the dumbest thing I've heard all year.

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Floyd Justin Newton
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Yeah John....and it's only the 5th of January! [Wink]

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Justin Gorka
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just out of curiosity, what machine uses 6" cue tape 1/2 an inch thick and laid diagonaly|?
Just had a second hand print from the US (White Noise 2). The print had also ben treated (which makes it that much harder to get the tape off!)
Not the first time I've had probems with 'treated' prints......Is there any quality contrlo in these places that do it?

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