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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Part 2 Ross Oba Expert Film Handler Posts: 181 From: Kailua Kona, HI Registered: Oct 2005 posted 11-12-2006 02:05 AM                     quote: Blaine Young You mean like "Flags of Our Fathers" which is 8 reels and came packed in 3 cans, 2 4-reel cans holding the entire film and then a 3rd can with the "enclosed" trailers and DTS discs. The labels on all three cans from Deluxe indicated "8 Reels (on 2)". I actually would have preferred the print of Flags of Our Fathers to come in the cans. Instead, some retard (no offense to anyone reading this) at ETS decided to put all 8 reels into a 7 REEL BOX! Good job!  |  IP: Logged Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-13-2006 05:00 AM                        quote: Randy Stankey There's more empty space inside a rectangular box than there is inside a hexagonal can. Thus, there is more wasted space. john hawkinson must be asleep at the wheel for not calling you on this one. the cans are octagons (well, octagonal prisms), not hexagons. octagons can't be close-packed, so there is wasted space outside the cans as well as inside, probably more than for fox boxes given the slight irregularities of the cans. plus, as stated, the cans can't reliably be stacked. the blue cans are pretty good, but i never see those. the grey hard plastic nesting stackable boxes are great but it's been a while. i hope they didn't give up on those.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-13-2006 01:40 PM                     quote: Carl Martin plus, as stated, the cans can't reliably be stacked. ..unless, you stak them on their side... ..You've never been to a film exchange depot like this one , have you? If you do it right, you can stak cans on their sides over 10 ft high and not have them tip over...(I used to work in receiving areas with a lot of freight and learned how to almost stak anything high and can move it with cart, pallet jack, or forklift without it coming down on you)..so, if you got a cramped booth with a lot of film, then stack them puppies on their side in a corner-only takes up 2 feet of space on the sides, but you got the ceiling to worry about. -Monte  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-13-2006 02:05 PM                     I think the real point is that no matter how you slice it, film cans are different than what UPS and FedEx generally ship, and that difference costs them time and money, and they surcharge for it. Yeah, there are things they can do to specially optimize, but that requires investment. For instance, those pallets get shrink wrapped before they are moved. That's great for pallets, but not great if you have just two or three cans. Even Airborne/DHL, in Wilmington, OH (right next to Technicolor) has to handle cans seperately. They can't go on their conveyer belt system, so instead the get manually transported throughout the facility and are not sorted along with other packages. Sure, they handle enough of TES's business that they get a good rate, etc., etc., but the point is that their systems for boxes don't work with film cans. Good catch on the octagons, Carl . --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-13-2006 05:33 PM                     Carl, interestingly enough the hard plastic boxes you are talking about-the ones that are similar to film cans but are sqaure instead of octagons-are being used by Deluxe/ETS to ship digital hard drives.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-13-2006 09:41 PM                     Don't know why I pictured film cans as being hexagons. I guess I picture them the way I see them most often... with the lids open, thus only seeing half the can. The latch and the hinge don't register as sides because they are... the latch and the hinge. But, yeah, you're right, close a film can and buckle it up, it's an octagon.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-14-2006 12:06 AM                     ..just an added comment here - if you don't have the booth storage area to place your cans or boxes, one can always put them under the platter assigned to that print.. But, if you work in a large megaplex cinema where prints are always moved from one house to another..you'd be moving cans with the prints, but it saves time hunting for the right containers for that certain print.... ..for what it's worth... - Monte  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-21-2006 10:08 PM                     (Gee...did ETS get the wakeup call in putting a blank reel in their FOX boxes? Last few boxes that I've received from them has a blank reel inside..wooooo)  |  IP: Logged Luci Reeve Film Handler Posts: 50 From: Telluride, CO, USA Registered: Feb 2006 posted 11-23-2006 04:06 PM                        I've been returning films with cardboard in the empty space and, lo and behold! I've started getting films with cardboard in the blank space (unless it was full of trailers for Marie Antoinette). When the film comes on a broken plastic reel I use zip ties to hold it together. I've asked for spare reels and they always would say just to send it bck on the core. Has this changed in the last couple of years? When the print comes in badly scratched I write in red magic marker "SCRATCHED PRINT" on the film can. I've been thinking for a couple of months about buying boxes to send my cans in and wondered if it was cost effective. It sounds like it is and the ship companies would appreciate it too.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-23-2006 09:27 PM                        quote: Luci Reeve been thinking for a couple of months about buying boxes to send my cans in and wondered if it was cost effective. It sounds like it is It is, especially if you use UPS.  |  IP: Logged David Graves Film Handler Posts: 38 From: Cocoa, FL Registered: Nov 2006 posted 11-27-2006 05:58 PM                     I like the "scratched print" in big letters on the label. Believe it or not, I've received a replacement print of National Treasure that said "SCRATCHED" in bold red letters, and lo and behold, it was worse than the print I was replacing. I'm to the point where every single print I send back, I put a letter detailing the condition completely. If the print arrived damaged, and I'm sending it back, I plainly write "if Technicolor has sent you this print, stop what you're doing. Call 'em up, complain, and go have a smoke. You shouldn't bother building this- seriously" and put my phone number. You'd be surprised how many calls you get saying "hey, they shipped this to me- is it really damaged" two days after you send it back with red letters on the label and repeatedly asking the rep to take it out of circulation due to damage.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-27-2006 10:38 PM                     David: Exchanges DO NOT open cans when they get prints back. And whether they open them outgoing tends to depend (Technicolor should do so always), but you should not rely on it (and, at that point, it may be too late). If you want to report a problem, at the very least you should call the exchange and let them know there's a problem with the print. You should also let your studio buyer/booker know. By all means, leave a note in the can for the next guy, but as you've seen, it's not a reliable way to solve the problem. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-28-2006 01:35 AM                     Even labeling the cans won't work much, because by the time they see your note over the label on the cans, the shipping label is already printed for that specific print number. Call up Technicolor or Deluxe film services and let them know outright that the print is badly damaged/unplayable so they can tag it in their system so it doesn't go back out. That is the only way to get the trashed prints out of circulation.  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Bodge Film Handler Posts: 83 From: East Dorset, VT Registered: Nov 2006 posted 11-28-2006 08:20 PM                     I remember installing a a couple of booths for a new art cinema owner who used to be in the coin business, when he saw the platter, projectors with oil splashing inside he said "you've got to be kidding, this is archaic". After reading all these film handling problems, I agree. Digital projection will elimiate it but, like cell phones, the ultimate quality will suffer over good old technology (properly presented). Just think, this generation will never see carbon arc projection.  |  IP: Logged Charles Greenlee Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 801 From: Savannah, Ga, U.S. Registered: Jun 2006 posted 11-28-2006 10:03 PM                        I'd love to see the carbon Arc projection, side by side with a comprable Xenon, and see what the difference on screen is.  |  IP: Logged

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