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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Part 2 John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-25-2009 11:14 PM                     Agreed wholeheartedly.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 10-26-2009 12:12 AM                        quote: Steve Guttag Anyone using shoe polish is incompetent and damages the film/projectors. That crap ALWAYS flakes off...there is zero reason for it. When I scored a job at a prestigious UA mega-plex, I was taught to use white china marker to mark the splices right before I began to break the print down. I didn't do that for long because it was rather pointless. But I came from a Mann theater where the union projectionist would apply shoe polish and chop off 4 frames from the head and tail, so I figured the UA theater must be a shit-ton more professional. Of course I don't even need yellow striped tape to break down a film. If there is yellow tape, the job does not go any faster or easier for me.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-26-2009 12:33 AM                        Same here. I use clear tape. I don't see why anyone needs to use anything to mark the print in any way for breakdown, unless you're running a print with multiple mid-reel splices and even then it's not really necessary.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 10-26-2009 03:44 AM                     (we've brought this up before...) Yet, in KISS booths, you have to show them simple methods for their simple minds .. edgemark tape and clear splices, or zebra tape-which most circuit company uses..were I tell them to use the zebra on splice joins for flat movies and the clear part for splice joins on scope movies. Only thing that makes edgemark tape a disadvantage is the usage of the stuff on flat trap projectors - when the tape hits the trap, the picture weaves over a bit. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Bernard Tonks Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 619 From: Cranleigh, Surrey, England Registered: Apr 2001 posted 10-26-2009 06:12 AM                     The best white pen for edge marking I find is the Pentel 100W with a stubby barrel and large felt tip. I am going to try out Hammerite matt white paint which is also quick drying and possibly more permanent.  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 10-26-2009 07:22 AM                     We just mark every frame line with a dot in between sprocket holes with a black sharpie for about 8-10 frames each side of the splice, on the non soundtrack side only. If you use a non-permanent generic marker, you just take it all off when you are removing any splice residue with shellite. No one makes another cut to re-join heads and tails, right..?  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-26-2009 09:12 AM                     I used to use Jack Roe yellow Edgemark Tape at the splices because the kids who broke down the films had trouble finding the splices. I figured it would be okay to use as "training wheels" but, after two years, the booth leader knows how to do it without it. I figure it's time they learn to do it right. I stopped buying Edgemark tape. The kids complain because they don't have yellow tape. I just tell them that the order keeps getting rejected because it's too expensive. That's only a half-truth. The tape is fairly cheap but I'd still rather use the money to buy BETTER splicing tape. After about 2-1/2 months of doing it without yellow tape, they are starting to catch on. (We only do one movie per week. There are four students. That gives each student two or three turns to break down a movie.)  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 10-26-2009 09:21 AM                     It's not so hard with brand new prints, but when we run old splicey prints, it can get a bit more difficult to figure out what is a repair and what is a reel change. It seems drawing some temporary marks is less work than hunting for cues or continually consulting leaders.  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 10-26-2009 09:42 AM                        quote: Paul Mayer P-{ Smile when you say that! Argh! Agree with Joe (wow!)... clear tape only around here.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-26-2009 10:39 AM                     You can usually tell where the reels end by the rings that appear in the film. 90% of the time, if you find a splice in the middle of a reel, you can ignore it. The only time this is a problem is when you have a lab splice. Even then, you can tell it's a lab splice because it comes in the middle of a reel.  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-26-2009 12:55 PM                        Edge tape optional here. But I have to say, when you have to reconstruct a print from a place that just fills the reel and cuts (and may or may not attach a head and tail that may or may not match something in the reel), having the actual heads and tails marked is a timesaver.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-26-2009 01:13 PM                        White shoe polish is for wimps; if you really want to get serious about edge marking, use Sherwin-Williams' Sand Textured, Semi-Gloss Ceiling White. Buy it in the 5 gallon tub so you can also use it on the booth ceiling and anywhere else around the theatre that needs a touch-up -- multipurpose as it were.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 10-26-2009 01:17 PM                    I use zebra Tape for the reel changes but I do not put that line that runs accros the middle of the tape across the frame. I just use the yellow edges. Shoe polish is for shoes not film.  |  IP: Logged Geena Phillips Expert Film Handler Posts: 198 From: Norcross, GA / USA Registered: Apr 2006 posted 10-26-2009 07:45 PM                        quote: Darryl Spicer I use zebra Tape for the reel changes but I do not put that line that runs accros the middle of the tape across the frame. I just use the yellow edges. Thank you! I thought I was the only person who did that! I honestly don't see the utility in doing it any other way.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-26-2009 08:10 PM                     What? The dotted line is the part you're supposed to cut out. Isn't it?  |  IP: Logged

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