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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Part 2
Mark Strube
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quote: Jonathan Smith
Anyway, cutting off green bands is bad because it exposes trailers to more potential for damage and dust migration, and it doesn't allow the projectionists opportunity to fix focus if need be.
Agreed! What if your first trailer is for a Lions Gate film? I don't recall seeing a trailer from them in recent memory that wasn't extremely soft. I'll often stay at the projector through a trailer or two until it gets to a "sharp" green band, to make sure the focus is absolutely perfect.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Kenneth Wuepper
a local screening was advertised to start at 3:00 PM. The actual feature attraction began at 3:45PM after one set of ads and two trailer packs.
That's just ridiculous. 15-20 minutes should be the max for ads + trailers. (IMHO)

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John Hawkinson
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Anyone who had print SWANK\00002 of Magnolia's Red Cliff, you suck!

This reel has a lab safelight convolution defect between 12:00 and 14:40 on the reel, with a bright orange flash appearing once every ~3 seconds during that time. This is extremely annoying.

All one person had to do was report this defect, and others would not have been saddled with it. No one could possibly have blamed you for causing it yourself, it's obviously a lab defect.

--jhawk

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Jarret Chessell
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quote: Mark Strube
I'll often stay at the projector through a trailer or two until it gets to a "sharp" green band, to make sure the focus is absolutely perfect.
But you were going to come back to focus the feature after everything has warmed up, and you're on the film stock you care about...

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Jonathan Smith
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If you report a lab "convolution effect" (it's called FOGGING), half the time the fuckers will blame YOU for that, even though it's physically impossible for you to do this sort of thing. . .

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Mark Strube
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quote: Jarret Chessell
But you were going to come back to focus the feature after everything has warmed up, and you're on the film stock you care about...
I check on all the films I've started once they're into the feature. Takes awhile sometimes, being the only opening projectionist at a 16 screen. Most of the time they don't need adjustment from the trailers. In my experience the most problematic film stock to focus is "Screenvision" style ads... I'm guessing it's very cheap. However for us those ads are all digital now, so not an issue.

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Joe Redifer
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Don't frame on the Screenvision ads, either.

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Monte L Fullmer
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True, most horrible printing that can be ...

Now, it's my turn to curse the "Booth Clown" ...and this is of the initials "J.T." (Gee, I love it when these locations have their booth clowns put their names on the end leads...):

Got a print of "Up in the Air", #3934 from the Big Wood 4plex in Hailey, Idaho. (It's fairly new little 4plex in the middle of town and nicely dressed out as well..).and I do hope this 4plex converts to digital since they simply must have a "circus" of "booth clowns" at this location that simply shouldn't be handling film.

All the head leads had no "reference" frame along with, on breakdown, these "booth clowns" decide to just grab a reel out of the box to rewind the film on - not even paying attention to match the leads up to the correct reel.

Only thing that has save me from ordering another print from DFS is that the tail leads DO have a reference frame. Thus, I have to forward wind the reels so I can get a clue on which tail leader belongs to which roll of film that was wound on that core.

"DANG!" Just love doing extra work that "clowns" leave behind.

Thx goodness for DCI ! Eliminate this infection of "Booth Clowns"

-Monte

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Sean McKinnon
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
All the head leads had no "reference" frame along with, on breakdown, these "booth clowns" decide to just grab a reel out of the box to rewind the film on - not even paying attention to match the leads up to the correct reel.
I thought it was decided a long time ago that the FT concensus was no I.D. frames?

Anyways, rewinding reels with the wrong head/tail leaders is very very very lazy and makes an awful job for the next theatre to play the film. [thumbsdown] [fu]

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John Hawkinson
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At least you had tails. This week brings us Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day. Whomever had DFS print #00462, you suck!. (Hrmm, maybe I should peel back the labels... Is that a water-based glue?).

No tails at all.

Not only that, each reel missing somewhere between one and five seconds at the end of each reel (as judged by the position of the motor cue; no changeover cues left, except for maybe one reel).

Also, R1/R2 deplattered incorrectly. Scissor-cut, and then 100' of R1 sitting on the head of R2.

Oh, and last but not least, these jokers also left a good 5' of R2 [or was it R3?] on the head of the reel, so didn't show it to their own patrons (I suppose that's true of the tails of R1-R5 as well). It's not like it started with a fade. It was perfectly distinct well-framed picture. Ah well.

(and then there's some nonsense about how since Sony handles repertory bookings for Apparition, and has its own pool of DFS prints for that purpose, despite the fact that Apparition had five prints waiting to be junked in Boston, my replacement print had to come from Albany because...computers? politics? just lucky I guess?)

I must say, though, props to DFS for getting me a print on Wed 3/3 for a playdate of Friday 3/12. I wish that happened all the time.

--jhawk

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Sean McKinnon
I thought it was decided a long time ago that the FT concensus was no I.D. frames?


Which I understand, but fully disagree simply that films from 1st run houses, when that engagement is completed, do head to subs and discounts and the majority of booth personnel in those 1st run houses out in this country are NOT professionally trained as the scant few of us here are.

They are trained in the "K.I.S.S." (Keep It Simple,Stupid) method, and leaving a reference frame on both ends of each leader is the simplest way to ensure that the prints heads back to the depots correctly reassembled for the next guy to use and that next guy doesn't have to go through what I went through short of getting another print from the depot.

( [Roll Eyes] ..and the next print I assembled after this previous fiasco "The Blind Side" ALSO had the head leads lopped off without reference frames and the reference frames were on the tail leaders. But at least, they were put back on in order and the reels were in order in the box...)

-Monte

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Manny Montes
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I agree with monte, if everyone could pack and break down a print correctly we wouldn't need reference frames. However that's not reliable so I rather have a reference frame rather than a terrible mess to deal with.

Does anyone else get bothered when theaters use masking tape to secure the head to the reel? It gets residue everywhere! CLEAR SPLICING TAPE PLEASE!

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
"The Blind Side" ALSO had the head leads lopped off without reference frames and the reference frames were on the tail leaders. But at least, they were put back on in order and the reels were in order in the box...
What probably happened was the idiot breaking down the film just stopped wherever he or she wanted to. There was an ID frame on the head leader and they just chopped it off when they saw it didn't match. I don't know why breaking down prints needs to be so hard for some people. It is one of the easiest things to do in the booth, even when doing it right. It is people like these and those who train/hire them that give film a bad name.

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Louis Bornwasser
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One aside from Technicolor 3D; they use a bar on the side of each full frame. Lack of a bar marks the frame line. Boy oh boy! Wouldn't it be great if EVERY film had this so that it was obvious (even in the leader) where the frame line is? Louis

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Frank Angel
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Nowadays with digital intermediates for every release, there is no reason why ID frames couldn't be printed multiple times within the leader, say between #4 and #3. Hell, they could print an ID frame after each diamond or on either side of each number -- there are a half dozen configurations that could be decided upon. That and frame lines are a walk in the park to be done during the digital stage. They go thru the trouble to make those nice color-coded leaders with the title in big letters -- why not throw in an ID frame while they are at it? The leaders are unique to each reel, so what's the problem?

Oh, I forgot....we are all about digital now; why bother doing anything to improve film presentation?

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