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Justin Hamaker
Film God

Posts: 2253
From: Lakeport, CA USA
Registered: Jan 2004

posted 05-10-2010 07:42 PM

A massive thank you to whomever last broke down Death at a Funeral print 110. The print had damage throughout, but especially on reel #1.

The folding happened in 4 or 5 different places on reel #1. There were sections with sprocket run (? correct term) in every reel except #5.

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David E. Nedrow
Master Film Handler

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From: Columbus, OH, USA
Registered: Oct 2008

posted 07-14-2010 10:51 PM

Before I forget, I wanted to thank the previous handlers of "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" print #139.

The mix of tails in/out was entertaining enough, but couple with the incorrect leaders -- both reel number and head/tail -- made it so much fun to put it together. I guess all of you figured the next guy wouldn't be able to figure out to do with the existing index frame, so cutting additional frames at each stop was a good idea. I probably would have stopped at three, but then I no longer leave an index frame, so who am I to say 5 is too many.

Oh, I really liked the masking tape hold the leader onto the film, and the lack of any attempt to tape the end down. I love devilish puzzles, like separating multiple strands of film that have intertwined with each other over the course of shipping.

And to whoever ran it off the rollers, kudos to you sir or madam. The vaguely hypnotic cluster of vertical lines traveling back and forth across most of the print was more than I could have asked for.

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Justin B. Martin
Film Handler

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From: Arlington, VA, USA
Registered: Jul 2010

posted 08-17-2010 09:10 PM

I know this is old, but whoever (mis-)handled Avatar print #3492 can sit on a hot fucking knife.

The print came with no heads or tail leaders at all. I had never seen the film while it was in our 3D houses - the only two reels I was able to definitively identify were reels 1 and 10 (first and last due to opening Fox logo/end credits).

Luckily the geniuses who last had this print left the DTS discs in the cans so I was able to run each reel through our XD-10 and determine which was which.

So yeah, handlers, in the words of James Cameron, "you may fuck yourself."

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David E. Nedrow
Master Film Handler

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From: Columbus, OH, USA
Registered: Oct 2008

posted 08-17-2010 09:43 PM

quote: Justin B. Martin
The print came with no heads or tail leaders at all.

Justin,

Not that it helps you now, but you can call Deluxe and/or Technicolor for check frames. I've had to do this for prints where the heads/tails weren't attached and didn't have index frames cut.

I've had to get these from TES at 3 in the morning.

-David

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Justin B. Martin
Film Handler

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From: Arlington, VA, USA
Registered: Jul 2010

posted 08-17-2010 09:50 PM

David,

I've used Technicolor's Frame Check page a number of times but did not know Deluxe offered the same service, online or otherwise. Thanks.

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Carl Martin
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Oakland, CA, USA
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 08-18-2010 12:57 AM

just had a look at the technicolor checkframe page. so what exactly do the head & foot footage/frame counts above the checkframes measure? is it the length of the first/last shot? yeah, i'll bet that's what it is. i can see how that would be useful. thanks guys.

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 08-18-2010 02:54 AM

Look for the yellow marks printed on the edge of the film at the head and tail of each reel. The number of marks = the reel number.

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99

posted 08-18-2010 03:11 AM

And yet people still insist on lopping off an ID frame when there are so many other ways to verify the correct reel.

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John Wilson
Film God

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From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 08-18-2010 04:29 AM

quote: Brad Miller
Look for the yellow marks printed on the edge of the film at the head and tail of each reel. The number of marks = the reel number.

Wonderful what we can do nowadays...

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Ian Parfrey
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E
Registered: Feb 2009

posted 08-18-2010 04:53 AM

If only all labs did that.

In days of old, around the mid 80's I think, for a short time Delux Canada acetate prints had hand written "Reel XX" outside the perfs and about a foot into the reel.

Whether it was something done by a conscientious lab tech or not, it seems like a no brainer to reinstate this considering the current digital tracks have visible (as opposed to machine readable) reel ID'S so why not extend that 1-2 feet into reel?

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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From: Denver, Colorado
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posted 08-27-2010 05:08 PM

To whoever broke down The Nature of Existence at the Regal Fox Tower Stadium theater in Portland, OR (846 sw Park Ave - 97205), you are a piece of crap! You didn't even bother to secure the head leaders to the film and you also used a teeny tiny piece of tape to secure the reels, thus allowing all of the head leaders to come off and be scrambled in the cans. The name "Jesse" was on the tail. Is this common practice for Regal Entertainment group theaters? If so, this tells me that tape is an extremely expensive commodity for Regal and as little as possible must be used. It also tells me that proper booth training is not very important to Regal. You represent Regal, so this must be how it is with that company. Now everyone knows.

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John Wilson
Film God

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From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 08-27-2010 05:24 PM

Jessie probably built the print, but of course that doesn't mean he/she necessarily tore it down.

My guys all add their name to the print I.D. so I know who to blame. [Wink]

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Mike Blakesley
Film God

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From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99

posted 08-27-2010 05:48 PM

quote: Justin Hamaker
A massive thank you to whomever

quote: David E. Nedrow
I wanted to thank the previous handlers

Call me an old curmudgeon, but I hate it when people "thank" the offenders for their stupidness. You see that in "Letters to the Editor" all the time: "I want to thank the people who stole my son's bike. You've ruined the kid's summer, so thank you very much!"

I know it's supposed to be sarcastic, but come on. Stop thanking them. Tell them what you really think, as in:

quote: Justin B. Martin
whoever (mis-)handled Avatar print #3492 can sit on a hot fucking knife.

quote: Justin B. Martin
in the words of James Cameron, "you may fuck yourself."

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David E. Nedrow
Master Film Handler

Posts: 368
From: Columbus, OH, USA
Registered: Oct 2008

posted 08-27-2010 06:40 PM

quote: Justin B. Martin
did not know Deluxe offered the same service, online or otherwise.

The only thing I find bothersome about the Deluxe check frame sheets are that they show scope frames as they would appear on screen (ie. un-squeezed) rather than as they appear on the actual print. Ummm, I want to know what the frame of film looks like, not the projected frame.

-David

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99

posted 08-27-2010 07:28 PM

quote: John Wilson
Jessie probably built the print, but of course that doesn't mean he/she necessarily tore it down.

Yeah, I know, that's why I yelled at the theater and not Jesse.

I don't put my name on any of my prints because I build them all up. I really don't know why anyone would do this. If you really need to know who built what and can't keep track of it in your head, just have a build-up log on-site.

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