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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Part 2 Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 10-28-2009 01:35 PM                     quote: Jack Ondracek Has the price of ultrasonic splicers gone down any? Last time I looked, they were a bit spendy. They haven't gone down. Brad is just one of those guys who will spend that extra $$ on that for his locations.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-28-2009 02:13 PM                     To be honest, I think I prefer prints on cores with no reels. Every theater should have at least one split-reel just for the purpose, anyway. I KNOW the condition of my reel. I know it fits my spindles. I know it's not going to be broken when I take it out of the can and I know it's not going to fly apart when I try to use it on the rewinder. I wouldn't mind if prints were shipped in fiberboard boxes if they didn't end up containing more tape than box. If not for this one thing, I would definitely prefer film to be shipped this way. So, let's get Technicolor to come up with a better shipping container and dispense with cans and reels. With the money they save, they could afford to send every theater a split reel free of charge or at least at a discount.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 10-28-2009 02:22 PM                     Sorry, Randy, I can't agree. Despite having several split-reels in perfectly good working order, I much prefer the convenience of a real reel for each core of film, and the reliability of plastic shipping reels is sufficiently high that I'm fine with that. There's some reliability threshold that where I would change my opinion and be happier with cores, but we are not at that there. And more-to-the-point, retraining the industry to properly handle film on cores would be a significant task, and not one likely to happen in the twilight of 35mm film that we're in now. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Karl Borowski Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Sulking in GameFAQ Forum Registered: Sep 2009 posted 10-28-2009 02:59 PM                     Randy: Are you advocating wrapping over a thousand feet of film on a simple plastic core over having it on a reel? I would think there'd be much more of an issue with having to wrap the film especially tight to make that much of it stick securely around a core. There's also more potential for chaos if the tape comes undone on a core, and I can't fathom having some of these theatres try to wrap their heads around breaking down onto cores instead of reels. Seems like there's a much greater potential with cores for the poor second runs to get confetti in a can.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 10-28-2009 03:13 PM                     If we just wound them on the small trailer cores all that would happen is that trailer cores would get broken even more often than we have now.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-28-2009 05:26 PM                     quote: Karl Borowski Randy: Are you advocating wrapping over a thousand feet of film on a simple plastic core over having it on a reel? No. I'm advocating wrapping over TWO THOUSAND feet of film on a simple plastic core. Film comes from the labs on cores. All they do is slap some cheap plastic flanges on the cores and call it a reel. It doesn't even get assembled into a reel until it gets to the depot, anyway. Just about everywhere else in the world, they are used to getting film that way and they don't seem to have a problem with it. In the last couple years, all the prints I have seen which were shipped on bare cores, in boxes have been in far better shape than ones on reels. And, if they can get the shipping details worked out correctly, I bet it would be cheaper too.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-28-2009 05:50 PM                     quote: Karl Borowski Randy: Are you advocating wrapping over a thousand feet of film on a simple plastic core over having it on a reel? quote: Randy Stankey No. I'm advocating wrapping over TWO THOUSAND feet of film on a simple plastic core. We've been getting films on cores in boxes now for over 13 years. I can't remember the last time a print came in in a can (trunk). If it's wound tightly and taped down correctly...what's the problem?  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 10-28-2009 10:17 PM                     quote: Jack Ondracek Why is that? Other than the distraction of mid-frame studio splices, they don't cause me any trouble running through the machine. Unfortunately last year we had one fail on the return to the platter and destroy a print. Our new policy is to tape over them if they are on the frame line, or cut them out mid-frame.  |  IP: Logged Brent Francis Film Handler Posts: 84 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Nov 2008 posted 10-29-2009 01:05 PM                        Contrary to popular opinion, some labs still use actual (as opposed to split) reels. Plastic of course, but sturdy. (And those damn splits never click together on one side!)  |  IP: Logged Paul J. Neuhaus Expert Film Handler Posts: 126 From: Iraq.. Again! Registered: Jun 2005 posted 11-01-2009 01:20 PM                     Brent, That is why I say use the two person method of pulling them appart. Even pressure on both sides pulling. One persons hands at 3 and 9 o'clock and the others at 12 and 6 and they just snap right appart and will then click back together!  |  IP: Logged Jarret Chessell Master Film Handler Posts: 288 From: London, Ontario, Canada Registered: Jan 2009 posted 11-01-2009 01:49 PM                     Plastic split reels?? two people? you're kidding me. Pop the clip on one side and both sides come off the core. They click back together easy enough (provided they aren't broken). If I get a broken reel, I'll just spin the reel onto a working core/reel (reasonably tight), then pop the core out and put the broken reel back together on the the loaded core, put a note in my shipping book for TES and tada! (even if that print and reel get sent back out I always assumed the chap on the receiving end would figure it out).  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-01-2009 03:17 PM                     Wait until you open a "Fox Box" with the one flange side off of the cores due to the previous booth user just throws the reels in and these have came apart in the box during shipment.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-01-2009 04:52 PM                     Do the Canadians have to deal with the DFS/Fox boxes? Geez, lets cram an entire 7 reel movie with a shitton of trailers in ONE BOX and expect people to carry them around without doing some form of damage to their back. Great idea guys. (Coming from the very corporate guys who DON'T have to lift such a heavy and cumbersome box.)  |  IP: Logged Brian Jupp Film Handler Posts: 22 From: Victoria, BC, Canada Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-01-2009 05:04 PM                        The only "Fox Boxes" I have encountered were for Star Wars Episode 1 and an independent film for a festival.  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Weigel Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1062 From: Edmond, OK, USA Registered: Mar 2007 posted 11-01-2009 05:45 PM                     I wouldn't mind them so much IF they would put a handle on them that is wide enough to fit all 4 fingers through comfortably. For now I just grip both hands up under the flaps and carry the box.  |  IP: Logged

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