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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Part 2 Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 09-28-2007 07:52 PM                     wow, haven't seen anyone make their own cues for a long time. One can tell that they don't have a cue maker tool in their booth. True, why squiggle out the cuemarks on a bright scene (prob was trained to squiggle out any cues no matter what..)? But, them little squiggly circles in the dot aint nothing to what can be done by amateurs who can't see the cues (or, is paying way too much attention to the film instead of doing the job as they supposed to be doing ...) with slashes, punchouts, marking pens and the like ... Trick with Zebra tape is to not use the frameline part of the tape for scope features, but do use the frameline part of the tape on flat features (for those who reads this and uses zebra...)  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 09-28-2007 09:01 PM                     Yeah, it seems to run at 7.5 . Hooray for DTS! --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Kenneth Wuepper Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1026 From: Saginaw, MI, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 09-29-2007 07:55 AM                     Those homemade Q marks remind me of my drive in days when the scope image was larger than the screen and the Q were in the trees. We usually made a china marker extension on the base side of the film and removed them before shipping them out. Perhaps the cinema running this had an undersized screen for their lens and made the Q a bit closer to the center so they could see them. That may explain it but doesn't forgive it. KEN  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 09-29-2007 05:01 PM                        I say, dig out that old medieval finger torture machine and USE IT. Then super-glue a grease pencil to this guy's forehead. You need a cue? Use a grease marker as per Ken, why is this so freakin hard to understand? Why would anyone think they need to permanently mar the emulsion, even with a so-called professional Clint thing? It's unnecessary. One of the cardinal rules we have in our booths is that we do not make emulsion marks at all, period -- even for cues, even if the print comes with none (usually means it's an EK print, even MORE reason to keep fat little filthy fingers OFF IT). It states in our booth rules, right on the wall, that as a rep house that values every frame of rare prints -- prints that may very well be the only existing of a title -- we would rather the projectionist MISS A CUE and mar the show for 10 seconds for that audience, than mar the experience of that film for all audiences for the rest of the print's lifetime! You missed a cue? bite the bullet and be a man and humble yourself, don't be some sleazy sissy-wuss that your parents would be ashamed of and ruin a print for life, just to protect your sorry ass from having to eat a little crow. You are marching in a parade holding the flag, you come upon a pile of dog poo....you don't break ranks, you STEP IN IT, soldier!  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-26-2007 05:36 AM                     Way to go Technicolor lab/Buena Vista. This is a scan of the green band from the attached trailer to Dan In Real Life for that National Trasure sequel. It's ashamed someone responsible for this magnificent fuckup needs to go back and learn what "in frame" means. Just look at the edge of the hard matte and compare it to the sprocket holes. PATHETIC!!! Get your shit together guys. This sort of sloppiness just makes our presentation look bad. Well, at least it DID until it met with the trash can.  |  IP: Logged William T. Parr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 823 From: Cedar Park, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 10-26-2007 08:00 AM                     Yeah it looks like they were going for that awesome 16 x 9 HDTV look there Brad. It is a shame when the film industry has lost its focus on thier presentation to this point. I guess there doing thier part to make sure Lucas gets his wish and everything be shown off of digital media in standard format.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-26-2007 10:25 AM                        I wish you'd have sent me that trailer instead of trashing it. We probably won't get a trailer for National Treasure and I would be willing to reframe on the fly if necessary. Any chance of fishing it out? By the way I'd like a scope trailer for NT if anybody has a spare one.  |  IP: Logged Brian Guckian Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 594 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Apr 2003 posted 10-26-2007 12:00 PM                     Interestingly it's only the hard matte above that is out of frame, not the lettering of the green band. The matte must have been moved out of register during printing?  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-26-2007 03:15 PM                     Nah, the big letters are dead centered, which is the way it is supposed to be. They simply printed it "out of frame" (although I'm sure that is not the proper lab terminology.) Sorry Mike, but this is defective film and was treated no differently than, say an attached trailer on a print we receive used. It was ran once and then immediately thrown into the trash where it belongs.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Pitt Master Film Handler Posts: 266 From: Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK Registered: May 2007 posted 10-26-2007 03:18 PM                     Most film handlers I've had experience of, when doing manual starts, only check the framing on the very first second of the first advert. If the film starts up and the entire screen is covered in picture, they leave it at that. Slight framing errors may cause other adverts in the reel to have small areas of the picture cropped off! Some trailers are actually full frame even though they're meant to be projected 'cropped' on the screen. When I went to see Borat, the first trailer on the reel happened to be like that - the projectionist saw that the entire screen was covered and just left it. You can guess what happened; the rest of the trailers and the beginning of the movie were WAY out of frame, only the bottom bit of the picture visible at the top of the screen!  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-26-2007 03:54 PM                     And therein lies the problem with this trailer. It is hard matted to 2.40 scope, so even though the trailer is 1.85, there are projected letterbox bars that any good projectionist would dutifully center...rendering the entire feature to run out of frame!  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 10-28-2007 02:57 AM                     Ow, Brad, ow! What do the guys in North Hollywood say about this?? Unless I did the math wrong, that's 69 pixels above the center of the 225-pixel high (4-perf) frame, or 30% high. As time goes it seems more more reasonable to get some special lenses for these windowboxed/letterboxed trailers... --jhawk  |  IP: Logged James Westbrook Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1133 From: Lubbock, Texas, Usa Registered: Mar 2006 posted 10-28-2007 12:07 PM                     My main booth guy said he was having framing issues with Dan In Real Life. I remembered this thread, and told him to replace the National Treasure trailer and trash it. (National Treasure was the first trailer.) If Buena Vista wants National Treasure on screen, Technicolor had better be printing new trailers IN FRAME...  |  IP: Logged Peter David Bruce Expert Film Handler Posts: 187 From: East Anglia -England Registered: Aug 2007 posted 11-19-2007 08:44 AM                    ok thank god my colleague isnt on here cos ive got to say the guy i work with KARL has been in projection a year, has burnt 3 films in the last quarter, caused multiple brain wraps, ended up dropping a print while moving it on his own... and whats more is that he tells me a film has a problem AFTER ive sent him home. yesterday i called him up ME: 'hey karl, did you have a problem with the fireguard on scr2 today? its been acting up'. KARL: 'oh hi peter, um yea it stuck yesterday.' ME: 'why didnt you tell me earlier when i asked you if there were any issues?' KARL: 'um...' ok thats my 2 cents. oh.and we put our own cues on with magnetic tape. cut, stick, splice. thats it. works fine, and once youve done it you know its gonna work, cos YOU did it.  |  IP: Logged James Westbrook Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1133 From: Lubbock, Texas, Usa Registered: Mar 2006 posted 11-19-2007 02:14 PM                     Simple solution: Bump Karl up into management.  |  IP: Logged

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