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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Part 2 Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 09-15-2007 10:10 PM                     Interesting. Because that print of Don that I built up was actually very good quality compared to all the other prints I've built up. But the fact that the equipment was pretty much useless to me (the core it came on would only fit on a trailer flange and the reels were larger than the whole flange so I was lucky it was tightly wound) got me annoyed.  |  IP: Logged Geena Phillips Expert Film Handler Posts: 198 From: Norcross, GA / USA Registered: Apr 2006 posted 09-15-2007 11:39 PM                        You got reels? Ha! I'm lucky if I get cores.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 09-15-2007 11:48 PM                     Putting 2000' reels on 1" trailer sleeves isn't really Film Done Right...it induces "core set" -- the film remembers the very tight diameter and it is bad for it...not to mention inconvenient for the next guy. Everybody should have a pile of cores (3" or larger) to donate to films like this. If you don't see this problem very often, then of course the cost is negligable. And if you run Bollywood product with any regularity you should be prepared for it and call it part of the cost of showing Bollywood films. But no 2000' reel should leave your theatre unless it is on a core or a reel... DISCUSS! --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 09-16-2007 12:48 AM                     quote: John Hawkinson it induces "core set" (True, ever try to make a splice with the film being so curly that you have to wind that curled section of film on a lot smaller sleeve affair in a reverse curl to counteract that curl that was induced in the first place due to a very small and tight wind..) I remember, and still find this: when operators would wind trailers and leads on the rewind spindle itself since they either don't have a corewinder, or just plain don't care how they wind it up....and you talk about curl when unwinding that horrible roll....  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 09-16-2007 07:08 AM                        What's wrong with curls?  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 09-16-2007 02:17 PM                     But John, not everyone is going to be in a situation where they can pre-plan things. Let's say you are working at Bob's Big Town Cinema and they bring in a Bollywood film festival and you get a ton of prints in that must be ran, then shipped back immediately and the only thing around are trailer cores? Would you break them down to 4 inch cores and pop them out of the center before shipping back, ship them on trailer cores, or just whine to Big Bob about it, refusing to break them down since he didn't have cores in stock? I think in that situation shipping on trailer cores is the better solution. Yes there may be core set if the film isn't projected within a reasonable timeframe after your performance, but at least the odds of cinch scratching is drastically lowered as compared to shipping a print without a core at all.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 09-16-2007 02:31 PM                     Well, Brad, my point is everybody should have a stock of cores. And absolutely you should if you're running a festival! Basically no excuse there. I think your scenario almost misses the point -- it's possible to construct a situation where it is hard to solve the problem, but that is not the usual case. For the usual case, making sure you have 10 cores lying around will solve most of the unexpected. But somehow if I found myself with a festival on zero notice and I ran out of cores and couldn't run over and pick some up across town or beg/borrow/steal them, what would I do? I would try to avoid shipping out the films until I got some cores, if that were feasible, and otherwise, I think I would probably choose knocking the cores out (and stuffing in newspaper or whatever) over 1" trailer sleeves. But it would be a tough call and I'm not sure it would be the right one. Yet another choice would be to use scrap trailers (on 1" trailer sleeves) as a "core" for the film. I think that's clearly better than either knocking-out or 1" sleeves directly. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 09-16-2007 09:32 PM                     I hadn't thought of using scrap trailers. That's a pretty good idea. However making cores out of newspaper is about the worst idea I've ever heard, because it wouldn't protect the film from cinching. Anyway, I've had to run a festival before in just that situation. All of the prints came in within a day or two before the festival and the theater only had a dozen or so cores and NONE of the prints came in on cores and they had to have the prints back immediately upon the end of the show. I decided to ship them out on trailer cores to protect them as best as possible. Core-set is one thing, but scratches are unacceptable. In the future if that happens I'll use your junk trailer idea.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 09-16-2007 11:02 PM                     quote: You got reels? Ha! I'm lucky if I get cores. [Smile] You seem to misunderstand me. Each "reel" was on a core. But the only thing the core would attach to was out trailer flange since they had the same inner diameter of the trailer cores. But the trailer flange was smaller than the footage of film so the outer edge of the reel wasn't really held in place side to side by anything. I tried taking the core and putting attaching the split reel to it, but it was missing holes that are in the cores used on regular American movies. I doubt that theater will ever have the problem again as the dump referred to as a Bollywood theater gets all that kind of stuff instead. And since I've since moved, I clearly won't have to deal with their random Bollywood print.  |  IP: Logged Blaine Young Master Film Handler Posts: 477 From: Kirkland, WA, USA Registered: Sep 2006 posted 09-17-2007 12:30 PM                     I understand what Chris is saying here - all he has is a trailer adapter. Neumade makes a 2000' split reel that has a removable post to allow for use of a 1" trailer core. That will hold your entire reel without any trouble. The only festivals I've run are the Seattle International Film Festival, and every reel of all prints has had at least a 2" core. I dislike the 1" cores utterly. I was saddened when they stopped shipping trailers on the 2" cores. Even for a trailer, the 1" cores are simply too tight.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-17-2007 02:25 PM                        quote: Chris Slycord You seem to misunderstand me. Each "reel" was on a core. But the only thing the core would attach to was out trailer flange since they had the same inner diameter of the trailer cores. But the trailer flange was smaller than the footage of film so the outer edge of the reel wasn't really held in place side to side by anything. This shouldn't be a huge problem if the roll is reasonably tight. Just put it on your trailer flange and put that on your rewind table. Wind the film slowly onto a normal reel and guide the outer edges with your fingers. One potential problem with shipping on trailer cores is that they are flimsy and easily crushed. Good luck getting a crushed core onto a trailer flange. I hate hate hate prints that arrive without cores. There is at least one of these at every festival. To anyone who ships prints out like this, please stop.  |  IP: Logged Jon Miller Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 973 From: San Diego, CA, USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 09-17-2007 09:17 PM                     Join the club, Scott! Festival prints shipped sans cores is one of my biggest pet peeves. Problem is, while complaining on this site about the practice of shipping a print coreless may be cathartic, I'm afraid it may ultimately do little good as the booth clowns doing it have never visited Film-Tech and don't give a .  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 09-18-2007 10:43 AM                     quote: Scott Norwood This shouldn't be a huge problem if the roll is reasonably tight. Just put it on your trailer flange and put that on your rewind table. Wind the film slowly onto a normal reel and guide the outer edges with your fingers. That's what I did. Though this was quite a while ago.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 09-28-2007 04:54 PM                     Whoever scribed changeover cues on Pirates of the Carribean: at world's end TES print #09265, you suck! Lab changeover cues should only be overscribed if they are really really hard to see. And then, only with proper equipment (Hi Steve G. Oh, the guilt!) And generally it's not necessary to do more than the first and third. And it should be on top of the lab cue, not next to it. In a bright white scene like this, there's no excuse for overscribing all the dots: In case that's not clear enough, let's zoom in: I mean, COME ON!!! And while we're at it, please don't make splices with zebra tape that overlap the scope projection aperture: And if you come across such a splice, please don't splice over it with more tape just to avoid cleaning it off! (This was our second print. Our first print had run-of-the-mill emulsion scratches. Enough to replace it, but not quite enough to work me up about it. That was #09142, if you're wondering.) --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 09-28-2007 05:17 PM                     WOW! What buttholes. That print also looks unacceptably dirty. I'll bet the digital doesn't track very well. Just look at the dirt easily seen on the SDDS tracks, and the corner damage to the SRD.  |  IP: Logged

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