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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Part 2
Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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 - posted 03-28-2008 04:36 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
To the Cinemark 17 at Webb Chapel in Dallas, TX.

Can I buy you a film cleaner? Please??? PLEASE??????

I just got your print of the Bank Job and there is just no excuse for it being so freakin' dirty. Heck you only played it for 3 weeks!

I also greatly appreciated your taking the time to not tape any of the leaders back on and instead just "tucked them" under. It's always nice when that sort of laziness and unprofessionalism occurs, as when unwinding the roll of film it pretty much ensures that the ends of the reels will fall on the floor...and the floor is always good for film.

Not like it much matters though, as half of the reels were unwound and in one clusterfuck of a tangled mess. Yes indeedy, this was film spaghetti in a can...because you used painter's tape to "secure" the leaders!

And before I forget, if somebody will bring that junk splicer you cut out the lab splices with to me one afternoon, I will show you how to clean it up and realign it properly so that your future splices don't suck ass.

I know Cinemark is not this bad normally, so here is to hoping someone of importance will see this post and get some trainers in there.

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Monte L Fullmer
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(Isn't it fun coming from a spaghetti house having your favorite pasta dish, then come to work and find that same spaghetti mess to deal with??)

Dang, the mgr should be shot there if prints are looking that bad on the screen there at the 17...I thought their motto is (or was in this case) "Best seat in the house?"

Isn't the mgr like the owner of that complex - the "main guru, the buck stops here, the king of his castle" sort of person?

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Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!

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 - posted 04-18-2008 02:14 PM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Regal Riverfront Twin, Santa Cruz, CA:

YOU SUCK!!! [fu]

I received my print of Shine A Light (#362) from your fine establishment this morning and it had all of the following professional touches:

-All leaders (except R7) and tails were masking taped on

-Some leaders were put on backwards ('3' towards the outside of the reel)

-R7 had no leader at all! At least you had the decency to write 'NO LEADER' on a big piece of gooooooey crap masking tape before taping the head down.

Thanks!

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Jaime Tuzzio
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From: Salem, OR, USA
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 - posted 05-25-2008 03:56 AM      Profile for Jaime Tuzzio         Edit/Delete Post 
quote: John Hawkinson
For DFS, you can sometimes peel off your label and look underneath.

Sometimes when prints are shipped/couriered directly between theatres, it is obvious where it came from.

The thing about these two statements right here is that if a print has been couriered directly between theatres it is incredibly unlikely there will be new labels, as those get slapped on at the depot. So, peeling off your label and checking out the one underneath may give you only the originating theatre and not necessarily the one that damaged the print.

For instance:

Big Movie Print #1234 opened at my theatre, Theatre #1 with Company A. A few weeks later we did a theatre-to-theatre circuit to Theatre #2 with Company A using a print pocket. A few weeks later Theatre #2 did a theatre-to-theatre circuit with Theatre #3 with Company B breaking the print down to 2 6Ks with Theatre #3 returning the 6Ks the next day. The print was in stellar condition when it left Theatre #1. No idea after that. At no point from Theatre #1 to #2 to #3 were the labels on the cans changed. When the print arrived at Theatre #3 the labels were for Theatre #1.

Fast forward a few months: I take an anonymous phone call requesting a projectionist at Theatre #1. I am then scolded by a projectionist at a theatre in a neighboring state about the destruction that has befallen the Print #1234. They peeled off the label on the cans, found our name underneath, and assumed we had destroyed the print.

I made a few calls and found out who had the print and, therefore, who called me. I didn't identify the theatres in my post because someone on these forums used to work for the theatre who called me (though not at that time).

I am all for being irritated at some theatres in regard to how they handle their prints, but be sure your ire is aimed in the right direction. And don't be so juvenile as to make anonymous phone calls to "call out" a theatre. There are much more productive ways to handle the situation.

Edited to re-add a paragraph that vanished. Weird.

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John Hawkinson
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 - posted 05-25-2008 04:11 AM      Profile for John Hawkinson   Email John Hawkinson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Correct, Jaime, you never know for certain who damaged a print.
The context of my response that you quoted was responding to Galen's question, "Is there a particular methodology for determining what other theaters have played a particular print?"

It is also why I said "sometimes."

In general, though, I applaud people doing due diligence on damaged prints, be it via contacting the distributor, the exchange, or even likely-to-be-prior theatres (or all-of-the-above). All such communications should be polite and professional, and should recognize that the person or entity you're speaking with may not have been responsible for the damage.

--jhawk

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Jaime Tuzzio
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I understood the context of your post. I just wanted to add to why the "sometimes" is so particularly important as I'd personally had an experience with label-peeling.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Chad M Calpito
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From: San Diego, CA
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 - posted 05-31-2008 01:49 AM      Profile for Chad M Calpito   Author's Homepage   Email Chad M Calpito   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, to the Booth Operator(s) at the United Artists Horton Plaza 14, You Suck. When I received a print of Sex And The City from you guys, a section of film was damaged (at least 14 Frames) which I had to cut out. You people didn't even care to take care of the print even just for one show at your theatre. So, a big [fu] to you guys.

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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 - posted 06-01-2008 12:35 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'd like to mention the UA/Regal Denver Pavilions 15 which is managed by Lisa whats-her-face. She and her staff do not care about film handling and presentation AT ALL. Look at the negligence they gave their print of Made of Honor:

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Notice how they broke the print down, ensuring that the edges of
the film get crushed and damaged during transport.



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Yet another fine example of a sloppy break down job.



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Notice the loving scratches which screams "We are the UA/Regal Denver
Pavilions 15!" on each and every reel. Only they can scratch it this way.



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There are scratches all over the place! They have scratches which
I don't even know how they could have even happened.

Bottom line: Everyone at the UA/Regal Denver Pavilions 15 who steps in a booth should be fired. Or at least Lisa the manager for not caring about how the booth is run. This is quite obvious. How incompetent can you get? Lisa achieves a new level of incompetence! I'm sure she only cares about her bonus, so she tries to run the theater as cheaply as possible. That means minimum wage staff in the booth who have no clue or concern about anything up there.

Regal, where are you? Fire this chick, please!

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Mike Olpin
Chop Chop!

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 - posted 06-01-2008 08:37 AM      Profile for Mike Olpin   Email Mike Olpin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Don't worry Joe. she'll likely get promoted soon.

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Chad M Calpito
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Well, don't feel too bad, Joe. I've received plenty of scratched prints from the United Artists Horton Plaza 14. But, what amazes me the most is the carelessness they took in showing Sex And The City for just one show. It just goes to show that they (Horton Plaza 14) don't care about their job(s).

So, a big [thumbsdown] to Horton Plaza 14.

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 06-01-2008 02:40 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
I got an Indiana Jones 4 print for opening day that was DESTROYED from supposedly one "high security" playdate previously, meaning it had only been through a projector one time. It made Joe's print above look like new. Fortunately one of the cans wasn't locked so we caught it in just barely enough time to get another copy from the depot on opening day. We would not have ran it had we waited to inspect those reels after the dipshits at Paramount released the lock code.

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Michael Dolan
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 - posted 06-02-2008 04:31 PM      Profile for Michael Dolan   Author's Homepage   Email Michael Dolan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok well I'm first going to say sorry. I told you about the single screen drive in I just took over. Well for some ungodly reason the maint/procraptionist guy that was running things before I got there decided to break down the film and not leave it for me. All I can say is Sorry to any projectionist that may get Iron Man from our theater. I can only hope that he did everything right but I doubt it. I am incredibly sorry and I can assure you prints will never come from us with a bad breakdown again as long as I'm still there. That procraptionist has been let go [thumbsup]

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Greg Haas
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 - posted 06-07-2008 09:50 PM      Profile for Greg Haas   Author's Homepage   Email Greg Haas   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I know that I'm using such and such tape and wrapping tightly etc. I've been reading film-tech.com's rules coming on 5 years now.

You know what would be cool?

It would be cool to actually get feedback on how I'm doing. I know I'm doing what I *think* I should be doing based on what I've read here and elsewhere.

If someone feels the need to call me up about a film I (or my minions, buahahah) broke down, I'd appreciate constructive criticism. Good stuff, imo. Hmmm. Would a "Hey you, you rock!" thread be too long? heheh.

just thinking 'out loud'.

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Steve Guttag
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Then check out this thread!

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Greg Haas
Film Handler

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 - posted 06-07-2008 10:02 PM      Profile for Greg Haas   Author's Homepage   Email Greg Haas   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sweet!

Rule = Rock. [Smile]

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