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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Part 2 Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-08-2008 10:23 AM                        Hey you, Midtown Cinema in Harrisburg, PA, you suck! You sent me a print of "Sweet Mud" (which is probably the only print with English subtitles) that had all the usual issues (masking tape, yellow tape used for splices when made up for platter/big reels) and a fun one: whatever dumbass employee made this print up apparently left several pieces of head and tail leader in (i.e. showed them on screen) instead of removing them. Way to go, Midtown Cinema! Also, the print was generally in rough shape (and showed evidence of being mildly brainwrapped), but that may not have been your fault. Oh, and thanks for not replacing the missing tail leader on one reel (even if you weren't the ones who lost/destroyed it).  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 06-08-2008 11:36 AM                     Hmm, Greg. One answer would be to drop a card in the cans with "How're we doing? We at J. RANDOM THEATRE do our best to preserve the quality of film and to treat this print with the utmost care. If you have feedback, please send us an email to EMAIL-ADDRESS-HERE." Might be dangerous (next guy trashes the print, leaves your card in), but hey, why not? --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Greg Haas Film Handler Posts: 18 From: Buffalo, WY, USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 06-08-2008 06:28 PM                        @John, Not sure I'm that brave. heh. Maybe one could include playdates on the piece of paper...might help keep some hothead from flaming via email to the wrong person?  |  IP: Logged Steven J Hart Master Film Handler Posts: 282 From: WALES, ND, USA Registered: Mar 2004 posted 06-08-2008 09:00 PM                        Hey you! River Cinema 12 in East Grand Forks MN. YOU SUCK! Thank you so much for sending me your totally scratched to fuck print of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. The entire left half of the screen shows lovely black vertical scratches that dance across the screen throughout the entire duration of the film. Don't you ever check your projectors once they have been started to see if the film is dragging across some unmoving object? Be certain that I called Deluxe and reported this damage the instant I saw it, so I sure hope your management gets a nice big bill for the print damage. I'm also pleased that you were able to lose the head leader for real 1 and replace it with a reel 1 head leader for National Treasure 2. The missing Leader for reel # 7 was also a nice touch.  |  IP: Logged Kurt Zupin Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 989 From: Maricopa, Arizona Registered: Oct 2004 posted 06-08-2008 10:53 PM                     When I worked at the small 5 screen back in Michigan, I used to put a little letter in each print I sent out with a email that I had opened just for that. To see when the prints might of gone, kind of like "Wheres George" Got some emails, and about a year later actually got one of my letters in a can for a kids movie, with another one from somebody who had the print after I sent it back. Was kinda cool, never got any negative emails. I would of figured I'd gotten one or two, but out of the 20+ that I got, none were bad.  |  IP: Logged Galen Murphy-Fahlgren Master Film Handler Posts: 405 From: Canton, MI, USA Registered: Oct 2007 posted 08-24-2008 06:35 PM                     Thank you to the previous exhibitor of my kids' show print of Flushed Away, print #5768 I believe. It would've taken me so much extra time to add my OWN chicken grease to the film, the fact that you had it pre-greased for my convenience was really great. Apart from your epic level of awesomeness in this aspect, you exhibited a few lower levels of good projection by leaving a couple of layers of splicing tape on, affixing heads and tails with the gooiest masking tape on the market (did you pay extra for that? Money well spent!), and putting the heads and tails on the wrong way! Also, I love when you leave a bunch of trailers spliced onto the first reel. All of this added up to a delightful experience building this print that had been left to your tender mercies. In all fairness, it could have been worse, but if it had, I probably would've demanded a replacement. Also, Kurt, did they at your previous 5-plex not mind you putting those letters in the cans, or did they just not find out? My (moderately scratched by one of my "booth ushers") print of Sisterhood 2 was transferred to your old theater, and I plan on checking it out when I'm in the vicinity on vacation next weekend. Hopefully they've remedied the damage my people did to it so I don't feel quite as bad. It is difficult getting the operation under control when you have no real authority and only run booth a third of the shows.  |  IP: Logged Kurt Zupin Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 989 From: Maricopa, Arizona Registered: Oct 2004 posted 08-24-2008 10:04 PM                     Galen, they just never knew I did it. I think if Melissa had ever known she would of probably killed me. I doubt that they have fixed the scratched print you sent up there. The GM that is there now was trained by me when I was there but I know that they still don't use film-guard. Good luck when you go up North and tell Jennifer, Kurt said hi when you stop by.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Pitt Master Film Handler Posts: 266 From: Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK Registered: May 2007 posted 08-25-2008 03:24 PM                     I was wondering where this topic had disappeared to Saw You Don't Mess With The Zohan last week. Just after the movie started, the projectionist turned on the main strip light in the booth, right behind the projector for that auditorium. Since the rear of the auditorium has one large porthole instead of three small ones, it 'projected' a noticeable rectangle of light onto the screen and reduced the contrast in that area. I had to get the floor staff to radio the projectionist and ask them to turn the light off! You'd think they'd be more careful which booth lights they turn on when movies are showing...  |  IP: Logged Patrick Dunn Expert Film Handler Posts: 120 From: newark, DE, United states Registered: Aug 2005 posted 08-25-2008 06:37 PM                        When I went to see zohan, right after the lights dimmed they came back up and saw the projectionist unthreading the projector. a person came in and told us that the projectionist threaded the wrong movie and it would be started in 5 minutes. If i were to ever make the mistake of threading the wrong movie for what ever reason I would just cut the leader off of what is threaded and the movie thats supposed to be threaded and just switch their leaders. that way it will be started within 30 seconds as opposed to making the audience wait for you to unthread and rethread. I've had the problem where i had movies threaded and was told afterwards that my GM wanted the films to be switched and this made it a lot quicker and easier since I work with the brains that you can just lift the film out, you have to pull all of it through.  |  IP: Logged Galen Murphy-Fahlgren Master Film Handler Posts: 405 From: Canton, MI, USA Registered: Oct 2007 posted 08-25-2008 07:58 PM                     I once threaded the wrong movie. I realized once the first trailer hit the screen, and sent someone to inform the half dozen or so patrons. It took me about 3 minutes to unthread and thread the proper film, but this was a while ago. Should be down to less than 2 minutes now, less if there was someone else in booth. Once the movie is already started, your choice is to do this or to cut film and thread past part of the first trailer, two things I try to avoid.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-25-2008 08:52 PM                     Just cut the film before it reaches the payout, splice on the right film and hit go. You're back on faster than any other way. If you've gone through trailers but not yet at the feature, do the same thing but pull out the trailers from the correct pack first and then splice and go. No sense making them watch a whole other pack of trailers. Work out the leader and trailer issues later.  |  IP: Logged Galen Murphy-Fahlgren Master Film Handler Posts: 405 From: Canton, MI, USA Registered: Oct 2007 posted 08-25-2008 09:24 PM                     John, I disagree. I really think unthreading and threading the correct print is the way to go. If you cut in the trailer and splice the beginning of the leader for the correct print, you have the same chance of framing issues as if you'd threaded blind (or for that matter, if some of my coworkers had threaded ) . The difference in time off screen is so short that it doesn't really matter, and not cutting sames time and confusion later on as to what goes where. This is of course assuming that you notice your error in short order and don't let it run through trailers, in which case it is in everyone's best interest not to play more trailers. I am an advocate of trailer minimalism, so subjecting the audience to six trailers is absolutely unthinkable.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 08-25-2008 10:37 PM                     quote: Galen Murphy-Fahlgren If you cut in the trailer and splice the beginning of the leader for the correct print, you have the same chance of framing issues as if you'd threaded blind Why would you assume he meant "cut the film in the middle of the trailer at a random location"? I think it was pretty clear that he was saying "you've already got your leader threaded so attach the trailers of the correct movie to the threaded up leader and stick the other leader onto the movie you accidentally threaded." quote: Galen Murphy-Fahlgren The difference in time off screen is so short that it doesn't really matter, and not cutting sames time and confusion later on as to what goes where. What part would be "confusing"? You'd write down that the trailers attached to movie X belong on movie Y then break a splice and swap out. Also, the time saved by not cutting is obviously lost by having to rethread the whole movie is it not?  |  IP: Logged Galen Murphy-Fahlgren Master Film Handler Posts: 405 From: Canton, MI, USA Registered: Oct 2007 posted 08-26-2008 05:45 AM                     Even if you cut on the frameline, your leader is almost certainly not framed from the very end, nor should it be. If you spliced your leader to where you made the cut in the trailer (again, assuming that you've let at least some of the trailer past the gate) you have to splice something to something, either beginning of leader or beginning of first trailer after you remove the leader. I can elaborate on my point of view, but now I have to leave for my other job.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 08-26-2008 08:06 AM                     And again, if you already let some trailers go through you simply cut at the end of the final trailer. Then do the same on the correct print and attach the 2nd feature to the end of the trailers for the first movie. Then when the movie ends you swap the trailer packs back to where they go. quote: Galen Murphy-Fahlgren Even if you cut on the frameline, your leader is almost certainly not framed from the very end, nor should it be. I have no idea what you mean by this. Are you saying that the end of your clear leader isn't necessarily a frameline?  |  IP: Logged

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