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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Part 2 Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-26-2008 12:57 AM                        I have found this White Artist Tape at Mister Art which consistantly has the best prices for artist tape, well under $5. I also use their Black Graphic Tape to cover those distracting multiple clint as well as emulsion scratched cue marks on top of cue marks on older titles. Just lay this stuff over the offending cues and over the entire frame, not just on the cues -- looks like the edge of the frame changes position. It's not nearly as offensive as the dancing cues. This stuff can also be used to "bloop" the soundtrack easily and cheaply. I have also used their India Ink Pens to fill in and cover scratches -- black scratches look less distracting than white ones, especially in those dark scenes. If some cinema supply company would repackage this and sell it as film marking pen, they would charge triple this price.  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 10-26-2008 01:30 AM                        Is the white artists tape the same as the stuff that comes on some of the film reels? If so, I've found that tape is more likely to leave adhesive on the film than regular masking tape or splicing tape. In fact, we had to give out 250 passes from our midnight show of Dark Knight when a stray bit of adhesive caused the film to bind up just enough to trip the brain wrap failsafe and stop the projector.  |  IP: Logged Kenneth Wuepper Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1026 From: Saginaw, MI, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 10-26-2008 07:58 AM                     Frank, I have used the Acetate Opaque Black drafting ink for many years and it is better than India Ink. India Ink has a water base and usually flakes off the film in a short time. The Acetate based ink does not flake off and,if used in the finest point pen, can even cover those ugly clear strips from the lab splicer that occur in the image area of the frame. There is also a rubber based adhesive tape called "stencil tape" that is used for placing stencils before painting. This seems to be less likely to leave adhesive as well as being much cheaper than the paper artist tape for the same length. I have been watching a test of this over 4 years now and it still has not deteriorated. KEN  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 10-26-2008 10:34 AM                        Thanks for that link, Frank. That's much cheaper than I've seen anywhere else. Is the quality the same?  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-26-2008 08:44 PM                        Joe, I've used both the more expensive brand and found this cheaper stuff has no significant difference. I've used it on prints for long term storage and the adhesive over the years hasn't dried out. The thing I really like about it is that it has a neutral ph -- on acetate prints, that's important. Ken, I am definately going to give your drafting ink a try - sounds perfect.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 11-03-2008 07:18 PM                        Our shipment came in and while the tape is certainly usable, it is definitely thinner and more "papery" than the stuff I am used to. Still, better than masking tape.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 02-07-2009 10:45 AM                        The Kerasotes Colony Square 12 theater in Louisville Colorado sucks ass and is extremely unprofessional. We received a circuited print of Milk from them yesterday and it was one of the dirtiest, if not THE dirtiest prints I have ever seen. Black specs all over the image throughout the entire duration. And you should see those reel changes! I requested a new print from Technicolor citing film damage. It will arrive today. I hope the Colony Square gets charged.  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Althaus Master Film Handler Posts: 435 From: Bedford, TX Registered: Dec 2008 posted 02-07-2009 11:48 PM                     Our copy of Slundog was the worst print I've ever dealt with. Heads and tails not matching, bad film not cut out, some reels tail out, yet labeled head out, oh and it got here 30 mins before showtime.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-08-2009 12:43 AM                        quote: Jonathan Althaus bad film not cut out Do you mean lab splices? If it's anything else you should request a new reel. RE: Lab splices. I have mixed feelings about them. Sure they are a distraction, but maybe it's MORE of a distraction to cut that bit of film out and then have a missing frame + the "jump" in the picture caused by the splice. I wonder if there's any other way of dealing with them -- how about using a black sharpie to "color" the splice so it won't be such a bright flash?  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 02-08-2009 12:47 AM                     There are 4 or 5 threads devoted to this debate. Could we please not replicate it here? Reasonable people disagree on which is worse. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 02-08-2009 01:15 AM                        quote: John Hawkinson Could we please not replicate it here? And if we do...?  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 02-08-2009 05:03 AM                     Just thought I'd add my .02c. My theater's policy is if they (labs) are on the frame line, just tape over them, but if they are mid frame, chop em' out.  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 02-08-2009 05:12 PM                       quote: Joe Redifer The Kerasotes Colony Square 12 theater in Louisville Colorado Wow, I didn't realize the big "K" had made it that far west!  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 02-08-2009 07:39 PM                        Yes, through acquisition only. I wonder if they suck just as much in the east or wherever they are. Anyway, my replacement print of Milk is so much nicer.  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Althaus Master Film Handler Posts: 435 From: Bedford, TX Registered: Dec 2008 posted 02-09-2009 03:02 PM                     No, not lab splices. The sprocket holes were folded in half, probably wouldn't have run thru if I hadn't caught it and folded them back out.  |  IP: Logged

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