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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Part 2
Peter David Bruce
Expert Film Handler

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From: East Anglia -England
Registered: Aug 2007


 - posted 11-19-2007 02:36 PM      Profile for Peter David Bruce     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Looks like now im ending up being the most passionate in the complex...

I think Karl needs some guidance to improve his work. He can do it. I know he can.

[ 11-27-2007, 07:18 AM: Message edited by: Peter David Bruce ]

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Brian Guckian
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 - posted 11-22-2007 02:20 PM      Profile for Brian Guckian   Email Brian Guckian   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Out of interest Peter, have you any training programmes at your cinema? Also, surely good cinema should also mean good profits?

With more and more people expecting good presentation due to DVD, HD DVD and HDTV at home, shoddy presentation should translate into financial losses to a much greater extent than it used to (and rightfully so).

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Peter David Bruce
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 - posted 11-22-2007 05:55 PM      Profile for Peter David Bruce     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
my training was very explicit and extremely detailed. presentation is key, so even if my boss doesnt think about it, i know when i put a show on, im backing the company up by making sure its the best presentation quality available. im picky about performances and even though i have a head for profits too, projection and 'putting on a good show' is at the forefront of my mind all the time.

i dont think we have strict outlined training schemes. empire is very much a new company, riding on the wave of cineworld and odeon etc. (we bought out lots of their old sites - ours is ex cineworld).

oh, and we are now showing the bluray advert with the blue lasers.... wow that looks good on my screens. makes me realise how well i did the RP40 calbrations... so sharp!

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Brian Guckian
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 - posted 11-23-2007 11:39 AM      Profile for Brian Guckian   Email Brian Guckian   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OK, can you confirm that your colleague received exactly the same training as you did? Were you and your colleague trained on the job or did you also attend a course / seminar?

Just curious.

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Peter David Bruce
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 - posted 11-24-2007 04:18 PM      Profile for Peter David Bruce     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
ok well i cant guarantee he had same training. I was trained by just the (then, current) projection manager. my colleague was trained by him, but my colleague is SO slow and you cant teach him stuff by talking to him or even showing him. He watches all the time, but doesnt take in...

We both really learnt on the job... but today hes shown a real downslide of competence. he 'forgot' to put the compressor on for the air guns, failed to spot a blown bulb in our main slide projector for ads, shoddily laced up his first projector and had to stop the showing half way through. he didnt remember to play the intermission cd on our biggest screen, and it looks like he ran a DRY film cleaner on our latest big film - Beowulf! he hadnt added film cleaner oil to the pads at all! hes lucky it didnt scratch the print... although he might have still......... [Mad]

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Chris Slycord
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 - posted 11-24-2007 04:45 PM      Profile for Chris Slycord   Email Chris Slycord   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
and get this.... he ran a DRY film cleaner on our latest big film - Beowulf! he hadnt added film cleaner oil to the pads at all! hes lucky it didnt scratch the print... although he might have still......... [Mad]
If your cleaning media scratches prints then you need to buy cleaning media that doesn't suck ass.

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Ben Wales
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 - posted 11-24-2007 04:58 PM      Profile for Ben Wales   Email Ben Wales   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Peter David Bruce
ok well i cant guarantee he had same training. I was trained by just the (then, current) projection manager. my colleague was trained by him, but my colleague is SO slow and you cant teach him stuff by talking to him or even showing him. He watches all the time, but doesnt take in...


This is becoming some concern (for some)as fewer Skilled Projectionists are working in Cinemas and this Company are to make several Chief Projectionist's Redundant and operate Duel Site Projection Management and what we are starting to see across the board is that Cinemas will be staffed with one "skilled" Projection Manager and some larger sites with Trained Projectionists or mostly with "Multifunctional" Staff who work either on the Floor or Projection on a lower Projection rate!

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Peter David Bruce
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 - posted 11-24-2007 05:10 PM      Profile for Peter David Bruce     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Exactly. I have applied for projection manager so we will have to see how it all pans out then.

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Peter David Bruce
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 - posted 11-27-2007 07:15 AM      Profile for Peter David Bruce     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I must apologise for a previous post. In reference to my colleague Karl. Although he has made a few errors (some major, mostly minor) he is a good projectionist. I didnt think early on in my post that perhaps he didnt have the same training as perhaps i have, but recently I guess I have been trying maybe too hard to be a manager for him. its not good practice to pick up on all his mistakes - as everyone makes them from time to time.

I did not have the guts to front it out with him in person, and in the heat of the moment I exaggerated his downfalls over his merits. As karl checks this board from time to time I would like to say karl, I am dearly sorry to have caused you any grief. My actions were inexcusable. I hope to see you on shift tomorrow, and for your notice I will be emailing Andre later today about screen 6.

The problem with that screen looks like it might have been caused by that issue you had saturday morning, as the film was fine on Friday night and was already playing up when i came in saturday afternoon. I really dont have the technical know-how to say for sure what caused it. I really want to, but cannot say you didnt cause it.

I hope that we can discuss this together soon and lets hope that andre can shed some light on the issue!

Peter

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Carl Martin
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 - posted 12-13-2007 06:37 AM      Profile for Carl Martin   Author's Homepage   Email Carl Martin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
dear "naro expanded cinema" in norfolk, va.,

i'm sure you didn't cause all the problems with print #7 of "pete seeger: the power of song", but you didn't help.

the outside of reel 2's leader was unsecured and wrapped around reel 1. leaders in general were filthy.

accordian splices galore. tail of reel 1, in particular, was cut in several places, all of them within the fade-out. one of the cuts was more than a foot and a half from the true end of the reel! and this is a film with dialogue over most of the reel changes. i patched things together as well as i could but it's still glitchy, even in srd.

most of the reel ends had a good helping of shoe polish (or something similar), well into the srd area, sometimes into the analog track and the picture area as well. alcohol took most of it off.

mild platter scratches. heavier lines in reel 2.

thanks for leaving a foil cue near the end of reel 3, and a bunch in the credits. i caught most of them before the automation did.

oh and, magic tape isn't the best way to attach leaders.

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Bill Gabel
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There has been alot of poor operators handling the "Pete Seeger..." movie. I've had 5 different prints for special Guild screenings and they all had the same problems you had.
I just got another print for tonight "00004" from Delancey St./Delancey Four in San Francisco. Three of the reels the tape came undone in the can. At least they spliced the leaders back on not like the others.

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Galen Murphy-Fahlgren
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Is there a particular methodology for determining what other theaters have played a particular print? I today received a print of "Bratz" to go on screen tomorrow for our free kids show series, and when I opened the cans, I was floored. I have dealt with second run stuff before, mostly as part of our the twice-annual kids show series, but this takes the cake.

Reel 1 contained not only the actual reel 1, but half of reel 2 and, if that wasn't enough, they decided to leave a trailer attached such that it literally fell off the reel all over my make up table as soon as I picked the thing up. Apparently, the genius who broke it down got confused by one of the numerous zebra tape splices from fixing what looks like multiple brain wraps. Now, you would think that since there were ID frames on the heads and tails, they would have realized their somewhat obvious mistake. I replaced several more zebra splices with clear tape, but I think I missed some. I would bet my right hand that there are loads of scratches too, but because of the brilliant way my company handles print replacement, I'm sure we couldn't get a replacement in time.

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John Hawkinson
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Nope [Frown]

Technicolor tries hard to shield this information from you, but they do appreciate hearing about this sort of thing, just call 800-993-4567 and let them know.

For DFS, you can sometimes peel off your label and look underneath.

Sometimes when prints are shipped/couriered directly between theatres, it is obvious where it came from. Bill Gabel is in this situation a lot.

Sometimes you can do a bit more detective work, but usually not.

--jhawk

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Bill Gabel
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quote: John Hawkinson
Bill Gabel is in this situation a lot.
And that's the true.

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Leo Enticknap
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 - posted 03-24-2008 07:27 PM      Profile for Leo Enticknap   Author's Homepage   Email Leo Enticknap   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
There Will Be Blood at the Odeon, Wimbledon (London), screen 7, Saturday 22 March 2007 at 8.30pm.

What was good:

- Nice, bright and even screen illumination. The lamp was of proper power for the screen size, there were no hot spots, the colour temperature was nice and high and there was no hint of a flicker.

- Even focus across the width of the 'scope picture. The depth of field on the anamorph had obviously been set correctly.

- Very clear channel separation on the audio.

What was bad:

- Several thin vertical scratches which ran throughout the length of the feature towards the right of the screen - looked like misthreading through a platter path roller (i.e. wasn't seated in the flanges properly, and so a bit of picture area rubbed along the raised flange of the roller). That having been said, these scratches weren't there on the preshow reel, meaning that the accident that caused them could have been at a previous cinema, before the Odeon got that print (this is a film which has been on release for several weeks now, meaning that another venue may well have had that print before the one I saw it at). If it had been me, I'd have sent that print back as unacceptable on account of the scratches (or at least, tried to).

- Very dirty for 20-50ft ish around the reel ends (again, could have been poor film handling at a previous venue).

- Sound level was way too loud during the ads and trailers, and slightly too loud during the feature. I didn't notice a projectionist come in and do a sound check at any point during the feature, and suspect that (s)he didn't take account of the fact that the house was virtually empty (only about 10 customers in total) when setting the volume level.

- The ad and trailer reel was WAY too long at 32 minutes. In particular that crappy Chris Moyles ad, which everyone and their cat has complained about, was still there!

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