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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Part 2
Thomas Pitt
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- posted 07-22-2007 03:46 PM      Profile for Thomas Pitt   Email Thomas Pitt   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You mean there was just over a second of black-out on the screen at the end of part 2? Surely that would have been noticed by the audience; the screen suddenly blacking out. Would probably have been better to just cut that damaged bit of film out, and adjust the audio track program to skip forward at that point (is that possible?)

Also, be careful to store your spare cans, trailers and other projection equipment away from areas where people can walk around in the booth.
I've seen the projectionist trip over and bump the projector once! Seconds after the credits started to roll, the picture went off the screen and the audio cut off. The audio soon came back on, but the picture was still screwed up - it was as if it was projecting onto a tiny window near the top of the screen; probably reflecting off the sides of the porthole.

And while I'm on the subject, film handlers who don't bother checking the setup during the first few minutes of the show...
I went into an auditorium and the sound was on, but all I could see was a semi-circle of changing color light on the screen. The turret hadn't been closed fully (from threading) and the lens wasn't projecting an image onto the screen. The entire movie would probably have been run like this if I hadn't run out and told an usher [Wink]

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Monte L Fullmer
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"Booth Clowns" in 1st run houses being trained to snip the leads off without leaving the reference frame and us poor souls working in 2nd and discount houses having to figure (and hope) if their reattachment splice has the correct leader attached.

What a stupid practice to use! They should be slapped silly for this practice.

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Brad Miller
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Do a search Monte. There are several ways to positively ID the leaders if you feel yours are mixed up. [Roll Eyes]

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Samuel Andrew Wetzel
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having worked at both 1st and 2nd run theatres...i can see both points. working at a second run house it was nice to have the id frames attached. although i don't like to keep the id frames attached when i build a film...but i do break the films down correctly to ensure the next projectionist getting that film knows he's putting it together correctly. the thing that irritates me is when you'll get a print and on the reel it says 5 in one place, 3 in another, and 4 on the other side of the reel! how hard is it to take the previous markings off?? OH and when a "projectionist" misses a splice and cuts the film with whatever's handy (a key...scissors...god knows what else). the problem in general, not just the theatre industry, is nobody takes pride in what they do anymore. I have "projectionists" at a theatre I service that will flip out when the concession attendants don't sweep the inside of the vending stand well enough to meet their high standards (the locking usher mops the vending stand at this theatre)...yet they refuse to wear gloves when they build films and seem to make every attempt to drag the film across the booth floor and dip it in projector oil. it's like cmon people! you're a projectionist! you don't sell popcorn...why should that bother you when your apparent lack of respect for your duties doesnt matter to you?

end rant.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Samuel Andrew Wetzel
yet they refuse to wear gloves when they build films
IMO wearing gloves only keeps film cleaner if you have the bad practice of touching the picture while handling it. And even then, most of the gloves I've seen shed a little.

Now I will say that in the case of a big company (like AMC who I work for) to have a policy of everyone wearing gloves because it's a given that a lot of the people who end up getting in the booth don't have the best practices.

In fact, if you look at the tips section of this website and click on "Building 101" you'll notice several pictures showcasing using no gloves. If your hands are kept clean and you hold the print by the edges you won't damage your print.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Chris Slycord
If your hands are kept clean and you hold the print by the edges you won't damage your print.
Course, you have to realize that these lessone in the "tips" section are for guidance and to "show and tell" only -not to be taken as gospel (since, I don't follow these procedures in this "tip" section, but it's still has valid points to do the splicing procedure for the ones who could use these procedures). Thus, why these samples didn't show the usage of gloves.

There has been other topics of using gloves in many various forms in previous discussions - do a search on this one.

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Wyatt Copeland
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
...having to figure (and hope) if their reattachment splice has the correct leader attached.
The theater I work at right now does free kids shows in the summer. We end up getting second run kid shows that we show in the mornings. I got a copy of Charlotte's Web, I think it was, where reels 2 and 3 didn't have heads, just pieces of trailers wrapped around them with masking tape saying 2 and 3. Luckily the tails were on them to confirm they were correct. I was still sweating it though. I feel for yah man.

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Monte L Fullmer
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THX for the support, Wyatt!..

Sometimes when the leads are just taped back on the film with no reference frames the only close reference that I have is by looking at the soundtrack at the cut and see if the information matches pretty close between lead and feature's soundtrack.

BUT, one reel wasn't like that-quiet soundtrack on the lead and sudden modulation in the soundtrack at the beginning of that one reel. That one was a big chance on my end since I had NO reference frame left either on the cut tail lead. But, it was okey.

AND..this was a "F-T" type of build: no reference frames left on both leads and about 30 ft of junk trailer spliced on the end of the last reel's tail leader with feature title in masking tape at the end of this junk tail leader..which I snipped off real quick since my booth isn't setup for a long tail lead runout after dowser has closed.

Last year I did experience the ultimate horror though with this lack of "no reference" frame situation: Entire print (in a "Fox Box") was in spaghetti fashion-leads everywhere since not attached to the corresponding reels, and no reference frames on both leads. I just closed the box up and ordered another print..ain't gonna fight with that "no-reference frame" BS! [Mad]

-Monte

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Brad Miller
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Monte, do a freakin' search on the various ways to positively ID the leaders! Any professional can assemble a print without ID frames.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Okey....sorry - just ranting here a bit. Got any leads on where to begin then since it seems that there are others that have experinced this dilemma?

The "Reel ID" section looks like it hasn't been updated on a regular basis.

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Wyatt Copeland
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Well, either way, it is still a pain in the butt to have to do a search and look up reels. I know my nerves light on fire when my own routines get interrupted and my routine involves: 1. Get the movie off the truck. 2. Take movie up stairs. 3. Have the print built up and ready for screening within the hour. Haha not like that happens all that often though. [Smile]

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
Course, you have to realize that these lessone in the "tips" section are for guidance and to "show and tell" only -not to be taken as gospel (since, I don't follow these procedures in this "tip" section, but it's still has valid points to do the splicing procedure for the ones who could use these procedures). Thus, why these samples didn't show the usage of gloves.

There has been other topics of using gloves in many various forms in previous discussions - do a search on this one.
You're assuming too much about what I was saying.

All I was saying is that it is ridiculous to say that someone who doesn't use gloves is suddenly not a real projectionist and/or a bad one. And I was pointing out that some people here who are known to be quality projectionists have advocated not using gloves.

In short: wearing or not wearing gloves doesn't make you a projectionist. A booth monkey given gloves is still a booth monkey. And a quality projectionist who doesn't use gloves is still a quality projectionist.

And I was merely using the tips section to show as evidence that not wearing the gloves isn't necessarily considered bad. I imagine if Brad expected any so-called "quality projectionist" to wear gloves then that section would show handling with gloves.

quote: Monte L Fullmer
Okey....sorry - just ranting here a bit. Got any leads on where to begin then since it seems that there are others that have experinced this dilemma?
Someone not too long ago showed how you can look at the DTS data to figure out either which reel you're on or at least to figure out if the leader matches the reel number. Do a search on that.

edit:
I went ahead and searched for it myself since I couldn't remember how it was explained.

http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=007955;p=2#000020

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Jesse Skeen
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I tried using gloves, but it just made it harder to do anything. I'm used to handling film only by the sides anyways. I watched a movie one time a co-worker had built up using gloves, and he still managed to get marks all over it at the reel changes anyways!

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Monte L Fullmer
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Same here - can't stand gloves when doing splicing for you lose that "feel" of the film to make a good splice. Wearing gloves is great on doing inspections on the bench, but not on splicing.

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Chris Slycord
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quote:
I watched a movie one time a co-worker had built up using gloves, and he still managed to get marks all over it at the reel changes anyways!
That was my point. Any tool is only as good as the person using it.

Someone who might only half-way care about the print might be fairly careful if they don't have gloves, then you give them a pair and they get more careless since they think the gloves will help.

I've had problems that whenever we get a thing of gloves they get one size to fit all. So on me the fingertips, they just flop over, possibly getting caught in things (in fact, they did ones and tore up a fingernail really good). Now since people are highly unlikely to handle a print by the palms of their hands, does anyone make finger cots for this purpose? Granted, I can snip the fingertips off to make this happen but I think a bunch of finger cots would end up being way cheaper.

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