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Author Topic: 3D Coming back to film? Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 01-21-2010 12:05 PM                     Interesting..trying to come back to the left/right anamorphic film format. In 1971, I ran "The Stewardesses in 3D" in this left/right format. It worked but definitely a square picture... As far as I remember, this was the only time this left/right format was ever used. Also, the lens doesn't have a patent on it yet.. just "patent pending" Don't think studios will go with this one too well ... -Monte  |  IP: Logged Jack Theakston Master Film Handler Posts: 411 From: New York, USA Registered: Sep 2007 posted 01-21-2010 12:40 PM                     If memory serves, DIAL 'M' and HOUSE OF WAX rep prints were also done that way. The patent that Julio posted is similar to, if not the Moropticon extension that was available in 1954. The L/Rs are side-by-side in one frame, but turned on their side 90-degrees. The extension is a monster and sucks out a lot of light, but a neat idea-- the mirrors/prisms are on a billow system, so when you want to go to 2D, you don't have to take the extension off... you can just push the billow with the main mirror (in front of the projector lens) up so that it shoots straight through.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 01-21-2010 02:37 PM                     'House of Wax' was definitely released in side-by-side anamorphic; I've seen it that way, and there's also a frame from it on one of the BKSTS film formats wallcharts. The print that I saw was rather dark, I don't know if they all were, so combined with the light loss through the optics the picture wasn't too bright. I've never seen 'The Stewardesses', but I have been in the box at NFT2 the day after it was shown, and the optics were still there. If you can get enough light it's not a bad format for 1.37 films; certainly better than doing them under and over, with half the frame blank would be. There's no reason I can see that you'd want to release any sort of widescreen film this way. Some claim that 'The Stewardesses' was the film that really launched the 3-D revival. I've never seen any of the 90 degree rotated ones, either same sense or opposite sense. I seem to remember that Bolex had a 16mm system that worked this way.  |  IP: Logged Julio Roberto Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 938 From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2008 posted 01-21-2010 03:09 PM                    Yeah, this may be a different format to the one used in a couple of movies in the 80's, like Stweardeses or the re-release of House of Wax, which unless you got something different from me that I don't know about, used the side-by-side anamorphic system instead. So some are probably mixing formats "B" and "F" in this drawing, not that it matters much B was used by a number of prints in the 80's. AFAIK, c, d, e & f were never very popular in the professional 35mm world. At least one movie was released here in Europe in the "H" format (although less pillar-boxed to a 1.66 or thereabouts ratio). It's a good thing the new modern technology rids of all these different systems and standarizes in 1.85 and 2.39 ratios. Oh, wait. Sony 3D skips 40 lines of pixels on their over/under system for the horizontal division frame line and projects a non-DCI compliant 1998x1040 (instead of 1080) flat image. Scratch that.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 01-23-2010 08:34 AM                        Well,I'm certified as a Technicolor 3D installer and dealer. Louis  |  IP: Logged Don Furr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 509 From: Sun City, Ca USA Registered: Nov 2002 posted 01-23-2010 09:07 AM                     What do those new lens look like Louis?  |  IP: Logged Scott Hicks Film Handler Posts: 24 From: Portland, Oregon, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 01-23-2010 09:44 PM                        Well...they look like a Schneider, but in black anodized finish. For anyone in the Northwest, we are presenting a T3D demo on Tuesday Jan 26. We'll be running the "dog and pony" reel that some of you saw at Show East. A Technicolor rep will be there to answer questions. Brian Francis is hosting us at his Cameo Theatre in Newberg, OR. Time is 1pm. I just went out there today to pre-qualify the house. We will be utlizing a 15'x30' curved Silver T-screen and projecting with a Century C with Super Lume-X 2kw OSRAM lamp. With a new lamp running 80A and everything aligned I was able to acheive 70FL in the center and 50FL on the sides with a Kollmorgen prime lens and ISCO 2X anamorphic!! The good old reliable C and rebuilt movement (LaVezzi kit) yielded vertical stability of less than 1/10 of a square of jitter. I'll bring along a rebuilt Century SA, just in case we can't focus the lens in the small barrel C. Anyone and everyone is welcome, but please call or email me your RSVP so I can arrange to have enough cookies, chips & dip on hand. Scott Hicks 503-285-7015  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 01-23-2010 11:07 PM                     And how curved was that screen?  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 01-24-2010 09:51 AM                        The usual Schneider quality--very good' two primary lens, individually focusable and convergeable. This is a level higher than I have seen before; NOT a mirror box. Remember we are dealing with very short focal lengths here. Anything less than THE BEST will be horrible. Louis  |  IP: Logged Julio Roberto Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 938 From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2008 posted 01-24-2010 10:58 AM                    Technicolor will be running seminars in Europe soon as well to become certified installers. I'm already asking for quotes on several silver screens and awaiting further news. Seems they already upping their order to 1200 units. I'm sure studios won't ignore such a number of screens able to generate extra income from 3D surcharges. Otherwise, a 2D print will have to be served anyway. A lot of people not moving to digital until it is 4K, full DCI, able to do at least 7fl in 3D, cheap, and can get some help from studios (VPF). Most/none of this, outside Sony, is happening yet, so there. Hope Technicolor can really "push" distributors to print a small number of prints for the smaller countries and that they nail the delivery of glasses for them, which is very important for the success of the system.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 01-26-2010 05:21 AM                        Knowing the studios loathing double inventorying, what with its added cost and then the logistics of getting the right print to the right theatre (which ones can play 3D and which ones nee 2d prints), it is very possible that they may just say, there will be no 2D enagements hence forth for any of our titles that we've shot for 3D release. Since they are offering a much MUCH cheaper way for the exhibs to show 3D without forcing them to install digital 3D, I think they will be very reluctant to offer both 2D prints just to allow the REALLY cheap exhibitors to get away with not stepping up to the plate to install the fairly simple and relatively inexpensive Tech3D system. And in that same vein, all it will take is for a big-shot director like Cameron to say, "I shot this film in 3D and that's the way I want it to be seen -- no 2D engagements." All it will take is one director to say that and get away with it and the egos will prevail and the rest of them will follow. Not to mention that by the end of 2010 there will be a plethora of 3D display platforms for the 3D home theatre....3D will be everywhere. LG has already announced that it has a 3D video projector ready to launch and a I saw quite a number of consumer video projectors all displayng the "3D Ready" tag on them (I have no idea what that means); all this indicates the industry is moving to 3D en mass. It wouldn't be unreasonable for a studio or a director to say, the ticket purchasing/BluRay purchasing public can see this release in 3D practically EVERYWHERE, why should we devalue the product by allowing it to be shown theatrically in 2D by a handful of cheap exhibitors, especially since we offer them a reasonable solution? If the 3D on film system catches on big time, I think 2D only exhibitors will be hearing that all too familiar distriubtor's excuse, "Sorry, we don't have any prints available" a lot more frequently. Or why even need an excuse? It is not unreasonable to imagine that it will be common practice to have 3D in digital or on film or not at all.  |  IP: Logged Warren Dewey Film Handler Posts: 28 From: monterey ca usa Registered: Jan 2006 posted 01-26-2010 01:17 PM                        A dumb semi-rhetorical question: could a changeover house with platters and synchronized projectors be allotted 2 prints? It would not seem difficult to make custom plates and use an appropriate set of lenses-- and any polarization system would work, theoretically. Result would be a nice bright image-- (how retro!)  |  IP: Logged Ben Sanderson Film Handler Posts: 6 From: Hopewell, VA, USA Registered: Apr 2009 posted 01-26-2010 03:10 PM                        After talking to technicolor they said that everybody except Disney was on board for this. And then after talking my booker, she said that only Dreamworks (Para) and WB is the only people on board. And that Disney, Fox and Sony have all stated they will not support this format. Was wondering if anybody here heard anything. I love coming here and checking out new info, you guys have help keep my little theater stay open, ha ha. Thanks  |  IP: Logged Julio Roberto Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 938 From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2008 posted 01-26-2010 03:12 PM                    All I heard is that most of the big guys are on board, except Fox and Disney. Their loss. It would make sense for Sony not to be as well, since they sell the digital 4K stuff ...  |  IP: Logged Ben Sanderson Film Handler Posts: 6 From: Hopewell, VA, USA Registered: Apr 2009 posted 01-26-2010 06:01 PM                        With Disney, Sony and Fox not being on board that is a major blow to Film 3D. I mean it is a great deal, but Disney and Fox are the biggest studios right now in 3D with Disney really being number 1 with all the family films they have planned. Yes it is cheaper than going digital, but in the long run is it worth it to be running a crappy 3D movie like say Halloween 3D, Piranha 3D, and Saw 3D, I mean yes there will be a few good ones, like Clash of the Titans, (Which the rumor is will be in 3D now with a pushed back date.) Harry Potter now being confirmed, and How to Train your Dragon. But, they are few and inbetween unlike the big boys ie, Disney and Fox. For smaller cinemas like ours that 2000 pay back per film for the first six films will be hard if we get one and it flops. Now some of the bigger cinema it might work ok. Without some of the bigger studios being involved it is hard to go with it right now. Still like to hear from the rest of you guys to see what you think.  |  IP: Logged

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