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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Jonathan Althaus
but they seem a few years late to matter much
TECH designed this for smaller cinemas circuits or "Indies" that are waiting for DCI units to arrive to fill in that gap created by the demand of the "Big Box" circuits.

Thus, TECH is really approaching at the right time and the right place since the fruit it ripe for pickin' in this market area.

-Monte

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Demetris Thoupis
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Well it seems here comes the bad news for Technicolour. Technicolour will be charging 2000 USD licence fee per feature to each exhibitor!!!! Who said RealD was expensive!?
Demetris

From Technicolour FAQ for 3D

quote:
Q: How much are the licensing fees?
A: Technicolor will offer exhibitors the following pricing structure - $2000 per feature with an annual cap of $12,000. There will be no charge for moveovers, no per ticket charges or fees for increased attendance, and no fees once the annual cap is achieved on a per lens basis.

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John Wilson
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So much for that.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Heard that this cap is for the usage of the lens-like a lease of sorts.

Now, is this $12k cap is a one time thing, or does the cinema owner have to fork out $12k every year on per lens usage?

-thx .. Monte

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John Wilson
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quote: Monte
$2000 per feature with an annual cap of $12,000.
$12,000...every year.

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Scott Norwood
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I will happily rent out my two 1980s Paramount mirror boxes for $1500/feature or $11k/year. Don't miss this bargain! Act now!

Does the lens even cost anywhere near $12k to manufacture?

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Julio Roberto
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Times like this, I need a crying "smiley".

Oh well.

quote:
I will happily rent out my two 1980s Paramount mirror boxes for $1500/feature or $11k/year. Don't miss this bargain! Act now!
I offer 5 Mark's Polarator Prismatic units for only $10k/year or $1.200/film!!! Mirror boxes also available!!! New circular filters just installed!! Even a few split lenses!!! [Razz]

quote: Scott Norwood
Does the lens even cost anywhere near $12k to manufacture?
Manufacture?
Of course not.

Purchase or commission a manufacturing run in volumen (Technicolor seems to have ordered 1.000 units)?
Of course not. [Razz]

I would've probably paid up to $12k for outright purchase, although $10k would've been my desired upper limit.

But in reality it's only going to be used for a couple of 3D films a year, so it's not that outrageous considering they will also make the studios supply "unlimited glasses" and RealD royalties can be somewhat up there as well, and RealD doesn't have a yearly cap.

Let's think about it. Say you show 10 3-D films a year, almost 1 every month. Say you get a 5.000 audience on each film. Say RealD charges you $0.50 per patron, but gives you the glasses free. Or you don't pay anything to Master Image, but you need to buy glasses at $0.50, so same thing. So that makes it a $2.500 per film expense for the 3D with either system. After 10 films, that's $25.000 to RealD in royalties or $25.000 to Master Image in glasses or $12.000 in rent to Technicolor.

With RealD, you didn't have to pay (much) to install the system, same as with Technicolor. With Master Image, you paid several tens of thousands. All 3 need the silver screen expense.

This is assuming what Technicolor is saying that supporting studios will pay them for glasses to give them to you free and will give you a 3D print "free", as usual.

And, of course, we won't even mention the cost of going high-brightness digital to qualify for RealD or Master Image ...

Thoughts?

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Scott Norwood
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It still seems way overpriced for what it does.

Does the price double if you need two of them for a changeover booth?

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Brad Miller
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quote: Julio Roberto
After 10 films, that's $25.000 to RealD in royalties or $25.000 to Master Image in glasses or $12.000 in rent to Technicolor.
Don't forget you also have the option of paying $0.00 to Dolby for the best of all the 3D systems and OWN it without being stuck to a 10 year no-competition contract.

It amazes me in this economy how many people still can't do math.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Ya, for what scares the masses is the price for them Dolby 3D glasses and not thinking that they can OWN the Dolby unit as long as they want to instead of "flushing the toilet" every month on them leases for what ..."ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!"

- like the only thing they see is what is right in front of their noses is that $$$ sign and not even thinking long term of the $$$ that can be saved ...

"DANG!" Do, or don't they have confidence in their operations or what? Are they scared of being successful?

-Monte

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Cameron Glendinning
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quote:
# Q: Which studios and/or groups support this new technology? Who opposes it?
A: Technicolor has shown the solution to multiple studios and exhibitors and has received strong support for both the picture quality delivered as well as the attractive economic payback associated with our solution. Technicolor has announced public support for its Technicolor 3D solution from the following seven studios: Paramount Pictures, DreamWorks Animation, Universal Pictures, Warner Brothers Studios, Lionsgate, The Weinstein Company, and Overture Films. These studios represent the strong majority of the features currently slated for 2010.

Ok who's missing from the list? Disney A 20th century fox? I wonder if the next "Bond" film is going to be avaliable to Tech 3D? Anyone else obvious missing from the list?

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
TECH designed this for smaller cinemas circuits or "Indies"
Not with that price tag, they didn't.

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Monte L Fullmer
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True, at that time, the lease arrangements didn't come out. Now, things got totally shifted around with these absurb arrangements.

Guess Mike is gonna keep his 35mm booth setup running in tip-top condition for quite the time now.

-Monte

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Stephen Furley
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quote: Scott Norwood
Does the price double if you need two of them for a changeover booth?
That's the was I read it.

2,000 seat theatre with one projector in use, running something for six weeks, selling out most shows, $2,000.

100 seat changeover house, running a film once and only selling a few seats, maybe a Saturday morning children's show for example, $4,000.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Dang, read this insane exhibitor term sheet (course, this isn't a binding agreement, but for discussion purposes only...)

-Monte

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