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Author Topic: 3D Coming back to film? Ian Parfrey Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1049 From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E Registered: Feb 2009 posted 11-22-2009 06:28 PM                     Yep. Agfa still make 35mm print stock. Here is the link to Agfa. http://www.agfa.com/en/sp/solutions/cine/agfaprintcp30/index.jsp  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-22-2009 06:52 PM                     karl said "I think $1000 is definitely too low, even for a 6-reel movie" check your facts before you spout off (not being rude) but in large print runs that is the norm  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-22-2009 09:11 PM                     I wish Agfa would stop manufacturing print stock. Or at least for Screenvision to stop using it!  |  IP: Logged Ian Parfrey Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1049 From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E Registered: Feb 2009 posted 11-23-2009 01:49 AM                     Here in Oz we seem to get Agfa in bursts. Im wondering if it is specified for particular releases or if it is what's on hand in the lab at the time of printing? Projection-wise, it doesn't seem to pose any problems- at least with our Vic 8's anyway.  |  IP: Logged Karl Borowski Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Sulking in GameFAQ Forum Registered: Sep 2009 posted 11-23-2009 09:47 AM                     Gordon: I have checked my facts. Most of the smaller labs are paying 25¢ a foot for print stock. You're telling me it is less than one third that figure? Where are *you* getting your numbers from? Don't forget chemistry, printing, and labor in the cost of manufacture. Brad: What's the matter with Agfa? Not that I really check each film thoroughly for the stock type, but I can't think of seeing a single modern movie printed on it or screen ad printed on it.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-23-2009 09:53 AM                     Karl, I think you'll have to accept the fact that these numbers are not publicly available and are considered proprietary, and that the people who do know them are not in a position to reveal them, or they are not in a position to reveal too precisely the mechanism by which they know them. Discount structures are rather steep in this industry. There is good reason to believe $1k is a reasonable cost of a volume release print. If you don't have personal knowledge otherwise, I'd advise you to keep your thoughts on this to yourself. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Karl Borowski Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Sulking in GameFAQ Forum Registered: Sep 2009 posted 11-23-2009 10:45 AM                     Nice response John: It's classified, so we're right and you're wrong. I can buy the notion of a discount, but not to below 10¢/ft. And yes, I do have personal knowledge: That it's 25¢ a foot. I can't believe that Kodak would give the large labs *66%* off. And again, we're just talking about the raw, unexposed, undeveloped film. Do the math: Even 8¢ x 2000 feet x 6 reels is $960 just for the rawstock. And that is a 6-reel movie. I know that Gordon is an IMAX projectionist. I'm sure that there are far-more-sizable discounts for 65- and 70mm film.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-23-2009 11:57 AM                        For whatever it's worth, I once received a replacement reel (early 2000s) with a billing statement in the box (why?). The price listed was $.05/foot for a printed and processed color release print. This was for a major release from either Technicolor or Deluxe labs (I don't remember the details). With inflation and such, $1k per print sounds reasonable. Naturally, a B&W print with laser subtitles for a limited release would cost much more. In any case, pretty much no one pays list prices for this stuff. (Interesting fact: Kodak's biggest motion-picture custoemr is NFL Films. No doubt, they aren't paying anywhere near the catalog prices for anything.)  |  IP: Logged Karl Borowski Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Sulking in GameFAQ Forum Registered: Sep 2009 posted 11-23-2009 12:44 PM                     So, 80% off list? Really?!?!? If it's really that low, per foot, then it's more than that, due to labor. I still can't fathom 3-4¢ per foot plus labor. That's 85% off. . . Clearly I am getting my color print stock from the wrong people. . .  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-23-2009 01:12 PM                     quote: Karl Borowski What's the matter with Agfa? Good ol "Agfa -Gaevert". That stock has been used for tonnage of years in almost all of the gauges used in projection-both home and commercial-both B/W and Color. True, it chatters through the gates (prob don't edgewax the stuff), sticks together at times, esp in the "rolling stock" form, color is so-so, et-al. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-23-2009 01:18 PM                     quote "Clearly I am getting my color print stock from the wrong people. ." typically a major studio makes a deal at the beginning of a year for a volume of print stock and lab services for all there release requirements and yes there deals with labs and supplies is highly confidential  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-23-2009 01:25 PM                        Karl: I think you should think more along the lines of paper printing. If 500 pieces is the minimum run, then 250 pieces is going to cost the same as 500 -- so you are paying twice as much per piece. A 3000 piece run is not going to cost 6 times as much as a 500 piece run. The ink and paper cost next to nothing, it is the setup and overhead. Economies of scale. You, as an individual, are not going to be as important to the lab as a major Hollywood Blockbuster. That's big money to the lab, and as I said earlier, just a rounding error to the studio. Keep in mind, we're also dealing with Hollywood bookkeeping through which a movie that cost $30million to make, grosses over $100million and still loses money.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-23-2009 01:43 PM                     It's those darn exhibitors and their cut of the gross! --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-23-2009 06:35 PM                     quote: Gordon McLeod was the last to post Clearly I am getting my color print stock from the wrong people. . . (Is Karl a photographer then..to make this statement??) Thing that can be the "iffy" with the TECH 3D setup is to train the booth clowns on to make sure that their splices with this new form of stock.. ARE IN FRAME and in the CORRECT PHASE!  |  IP: Logged Jack Theakston Master Film Handler Posts: 411 From: New York, USA Registered: Sep 2007 posted 11-23-2009 06:54 PM                     quote: Thing that can be the "iffy" with the TECH 3D setup is to train the booth clowns on to make sure that their splices with this new form of stock.. ARE IN FRAME and in the CORRECT PHASE! We're talking about the "new" over/under system, right? How could it go out of phase if both frames MUST be projected at the same time?  |  IP: Logged

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