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Topic: Deadbeats in the industry (see page 7 for current info on Ron Purtee)
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Tony Bandiera Jr
Film God
Posts: 3067
From: Moreland Idaho
Registered: Apr 2004
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posted 11-22-2013 01:50 PM
First off, I will start by acknowledging that the debt for the card is legit and I do not deny that I owe Sam for it. This whole thing went down as an informal deal, and my mistake was I had ordered two cards one right after the other and since neither of us did any "formal" paperwork I was under the mistaken impression (at that time) that I had paid for the second card when in fact I had not. So the error for the debt IS on my side of the deal, 100%.
However, for whatever reason, Sam had refused to accept a few offers to clear this debt:
First, I offered to make a series of partial payments, but Sam said he'd rather wait until I had the full amount together for him (I understand that in a way, because it does complicate book keeping when a series of payments are made.) Fair enough. My current lack of steady work made the gathering of the full amount at any time pretty much impossible.
Second, I offered to send an identical card back to him. He didn't want it, again fair enough as he probably has (had) several already sitting around in inventory.
However, I get most of what little work I currently have coming in from a colleague who Sam knows well.
That colleague, while at Sam's location to place an equipment order, offered to settle my debt IN FULL (and deduct it over time from my future pay) BUT Sam refused to accept that money.
This I did not understand....if I end up paying for it in the end, what difference would it have made for Sam to accept the money, settle the debt between us and leave the matter between me and the colleague to be settled as a side matter?
In short, this whole thing could have been settled easily several months back...but for whatever reason Sam refused to accept the money.
I will freely admit that this last refusal genuinely pissed me off as unnecessary and downright rude. (And very uncharacteristic of Sam as we had previously had a very gentlemanly business relationship.)
If Sam is willing to discuss this further off of the forums I am willing to chat with him so we can put this to bed once and for all.
Sam is a true gentleman and this situation is most unfortunate but I trust we can get it solved soon.
Side note: "Purtee deadbeat points"..now that's funny. Should point be awarded based on dollar amounts owed, or time delay?
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Buck Wilson
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 894
From: St. Joseph MO, USA
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 08-17-2014 11:42 PM
Woah woah woah woah woah WOAHHHHHHHHHHH wait a minute here.
CPI C-lube was a rip-off of FilmGuard!?!?
WOW! We used that stuff for YEARS! However, we did NOT use it on film. We used it to clean the film paths. (Spray, wipe. Cleans and lubes, I always made sure to wipe excess off, it, as Brad mentioned, got nasty on film)
That shit wouldn't pass for FilmGuard in a hundred years. I distinctly remember having to shake the little spray bottles because the oil would separate out and sit at the bottom. And of course, with those cheap bottles, when shaken, would leak everywhere. And spraying was difficult at best, the stupid plunger was always breaking or the tube would fall down into the bottle or it would just surge out of the underside of the plunger when depressed, etc etc. That's about all it was good for, cleaning shit off of rollers.
Gooooood times.
I feel like a piece of my first few projectionist years has just been stolen from me.
Brad Miller, accept this very indirect apology please! Though I had no part in purchasing the stuff, using it without knowledge of the dirty deeds of the maker, I can't help but to feel 'dirty' for having even used it at all.
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Timothy Eiler
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 126
From: Litchfield , Minnesota, USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 10-10-2014 11:26 AM
Does not seem right to take money for Digital projectors (or anything else for that matter ) and then not deliver and what you sold.
http://www.prairiebizmag.com/event/article/id/20430/#sthash.eAjKK8IS.dpuf
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2 ND movie theaters fight to recoup money paid for projectors
At least two communities in northeastern North Dakota may be out tens of thousands of dollars raised for local theater improvements after an equipment supply company filed for bankruptcy.
By: Kevin Bonham, Forum News Service
At least two communities in northeastern North Dakota may be out tens of thousands of dollars raised for local theater improvements after an equipment supply company filed for bankruptcy.
The Save Our Strand Committee in Grafton has paid $47,000 toward a new digital projector that is long overdue for arrival from Cinema Service and Supply, a Massachusetts-based company.
Park River’s The Lyric Continues committee has paid about $30,000 to the company.
Jack Maus, chairman of the Grafton committee, said the company has filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy and its assets have been frozen. Both committees have filed consumer complaints against CSS with the North Dakota Attorney General’s office.
“We started hearing indications about a month ago,” Maus said. “We kept insisting on setting a date for them to come up and set up the projector.”
The Lyric Theater, which closed this past winter, reopened over the July 4 weekend, showing movies available for its older projection system, she said.
“We’re proceeding with the legal process to try to recoup at least some of our money,” said Laurie Jensen, TLC president in Park River. “We understand there are no guarantees.”
Theaters throughout the country have been forced to switch from 35-millimeter to digital projection over the past couple of years. In many smaller communities, local committees have raised money for the digital equipment in order to keep their theaters open.
Grafton’s Save Our Strand Committee initially raised more than $100,000 to remodel the theater and to purchase one digital projector, which CSS delivered in early 2013, according to Maus.
The committee already has done some major remodeling in the building and has been raising more money to update the theater’s lobby, Maus said.
The $47,000 spent earlier this year was for a projector for Strand 2.
“We’ll continue with the fundraising,” Maus said. “We have other projects we want to do. But we’ll probably wait on the second projector.”
The Park River committee also has remodeled its theater, including the lobby and restrooms.
Jensen said the group will continue to raise funds for the project.
“We feel bad because it’s money that people in the community have given us,” she said. “This is a little bump in the road and we have to think positively and move forward.”
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Lyle Romer
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1400
From: Davie, FL, USA
Registered: May 2002
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posted 10-13-2014 11:11 PM
quote: Mike Blakesley
Because being a deadbeat is not illegal, apparently.
I don't understand this. If you go into a store and walk out with an item without paying for it, you can go to jail for that; but if you sign your name, either to a charge account ticket or to a check, PROMISING you'll pay for it, you can just ignore the bill and never have a consequence, outside of a bad credit rating.
They're both stealing in my book.
I agree with you by concept, but by law you have entered a civil contract and violation of said contract must be adjudicated in civil court.
When you shoplift, you have committed the crime of theft but if you signed a contract with the store owner that you would pay later but then you don't it is no longer theft.
The reason for it has something to do with maintaining commerce and is the same reason that bankruptcy exists. I don't remember the details but it's something with British common laws not allowing people to be put to death for debts a long time ago.
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