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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 08-25-2009 12:20 PM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My invoices have always said "Terms: Net 30." After this experience, they now also say "Overdue accounts may be charged a 1.5% per month late fee."

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Timothy Eiler
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quote: Scott Norwood
"Overdue accounts may be charged a 1.5% per month late fee."
I would change the wording to "Overdue accounts will be charged a 1.5% per month late fee."

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 09-09-2009 02:28 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My invoices say 2% 10 Net 30 which is incentive for customers to pay early and take the discount. It's interesting though that most do pay early but don't bother to take the discount. Go figure...

Mark

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Gordon McLeod
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mine read 2% of outstanding balance charged per month on over due accounts and I once even managed to get a judgement to collect that interest

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Louis Bornwasser
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 - posted 09-10-2009 03:23 PM      Profile for Louis Bornwasser   Author's Homepage   Email Louis Bornwasser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The fact remains that repo and courts don't work at all. My LAWYER even has problems.

Embarassment and public ridicule seems to work a little bit.

(Still no money from Rodney Hughley of Lexington, KY or from CPI's Ron Purtee, though.) Louis

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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 09-15-2009 12:38 PM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In case anyone cares (probably not), NIFF still owes me. I've had limited communication with the members of the board of directors and none with the executive director. Other staff members and vendors have also not been paid (though some have).

I was interviewed for an article in the local paper, which appeared on September 5. It was a well-written and fair article. I've also spoken to a reporter for the local "artsy" paper and there may be an article there as well.

I've also spoken with the state's film commission director (whom I know from other events). He wrote to the board members and suggested some possible funding sources, as well as requested that the staff be paid.

Unfortunately, all indications are that the festival is out of money and will not be able to continue without a large and immediate influx of cash. The festival phone line was disconnected a few weeks ago. If they can't pay the phone bill, they probably can't pay me, either.

I've filed a small-claims lawsuit, but it seems unlikely that I will be able to collect anything given their cash situation. The board members all seem to be fairly wealthy, but also seem to be generally unresponsive and unwilling to help.

Expensive lesson #1: When working for a nonprofit or other organization that is not a full-time business, GET CASH UP FRONT! An escrow account would also work. Just because the same organization has paid on time in the past does not mean that it will do so in the future.

Expensive lesson #2: Make sure that every invoice carries a note about late fees and interest charges.

Expensive lesson #3: If you must put up cash to pay someone else's expenses, get reimbursed immediately. Avoid buying stuff for other people if possible. Definitely do not buy stuff that is expendable or disposable or otherwise has no resale value.

Expensive lesson #4: If you run such an organization and cannot pay your employees promptly, call or write to them immediately to explain the situation and answer questions. Do not ignore letters and phone calls asking about the situation. This just makes creditors (like me) angry.

I've worked for dodgier festivals than this one and have never had payment issues. This one always seemed to be well funded and unlikely to screw people over. Lesson learned. At least I was not in a position of being dependent upon this income.

Argh.

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John Walsh
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I'd think everyone would care ... suggestion.. don't just put "NIFF", list their whole name and the names of the people who should be paying you. That way, if they simply try to start another festival under a different name, anyone who reads this in the future will know who the people are....

I worked the Greenwich Film Festival in Greenwich, CT (I think they went out of biz, too) and it was very clear to me the festival party held at the end was considered more important than the films, or how they were presented.

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Louis Bornwasser
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I second John's request. The whole point of listing here is so that no one else is scammed. This helps the new guy. It may also get you paid since they can't go elsewhere until you are satisfied. Louis

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Scott Norwood
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By popular (?) request, here is the list of people associated with the 2009 Newport International Film Festival in Newport, RI. There are other staff members, but these are the individuals whom I believe are responsible for the festival's inability or unwillingness to pay its bills. I doubt that any of these people reads F-T, but maybe this will help others avoid them. I will edit this and previous posts if and when I am paid in full.

Executive Director: Jennifer Maizel

Board of Directors:

Annette Leidermann Raisky, Chairman
Mary Pat Ryan, Vice-Chairman
Mitchell V. Massey, Treasurer (he is the only person who has bothered to respond to multiple letters and email messages, but he provided few details; I do give him credit for at least responding)
Kathy Staab, Secretary (also owns the Jane Pickens Theatre in Newport, RI.)
Richard L. Bready
Bartlett S. Dunbar
Diana Gonzalez
Brendan P. Kelley, Chairman Emeritus
Stuart Lazar
Joan Martin

Also, Alan Weiss is listed as the Chairman in the 2009 program book, but has since resigned. (I believe that he also bears some responsbility for the current mess.)

Edit #1 (11/13/2009): I won the small-claims case by default (they did not answer or appeal). I have not yet collected on the judgment and do not expect to be able to do so. Argh.

Edit #2 (12/21/2009): No luck on collecting as of yet. I've engaged a collections attorney in hopes of getting something. Wish me luck.

[ 12-21-2009, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: Scott Norwood ]

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Tim Reed
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Okay. At the suggestion of several members of the forum I will list this one, to clear the air:

MARK GULBRANDSEN

Backstory - In two separate transactions, Justin West and I bought a Mitchell 35mm reflex conversion camera outfit, and a Moy geared head, from Mark many years ago (approaching ten years now). He misrepresented the condition of the camera saying it was excellent and ready to use, when the truth was it needed work. Among troubles with the motor, wiring, and one of the lenses, it had a cracked reflex pellicle that extended into the picture area. Mark's defense has been that, for the price he sold it ($5500), we had no room to complain. Actually, we did have room to complain; the price was no special bargain - it was exactly what other (complete) camera packages of that vintage were selling for on eBay - and the camera wasn't in the condition he said it was.

Recently in another thread, Mark has defended the cracked pellicle he didn't tell us about, saying it was a "slight" crack and "an inexpensive fix". Well, it was a complete crack, there was nothing slight about it, going right across the lower left-hand corner of the image; and if it was such a cheap fix, why didn't he fix it before sending it to us? I mean, he had PLENTY of time to do so... (read on) (Actually, it was NOT easily repairable, since the manufacturer of the reflex conversion was long out of business, and that part was no longer available from service centers.)

But even all of this I could forgive...

The Rub - Mark took nearly TWO YEARS to send us the parts from these two transactions - and we still didn't get everything! After constant hounding and many emails, he would finally send another component. His excuse was always that he had to go somewhere or do some work, and he'd make another unfulfilled promise of shipment. All the while making it very clear, in sarcastic tones, that our interests didn't matter; his work obligations trumped any duty he owed us. However, he was very dilligent in making sure we sent him the money right away at the start. He was asking about that every day, which we submitted promptly!

Contrary to what Mark has posted in another thread, I DID ask for our money back. And whenever I did, he'd promise to ship something right away ("I'll have to dig around to find it," he'd say.)

After several months, I considered it a loss and gave up. It took his being outed on another forum, however, by numerous other people he had treated the same way, for us to get the items we finally did, when we did.

Why he is a deadbeat - as if the foregoing weren't enough - We got nearly everything he owed us except a new Anvil case for the camera that he had promised from the start. He originally said he would ship the camera body in it, but instead he used the rotted and damaged original. When confronted with this, he promised to send the new case on a separate shipment, which of course he never did. There was something else outstanding, too (maybe batteries), but it's been so long I can't be certain, so I'll just leave it at the Anvil case. Incredibly, he emailed me about a year ago, asking if I wanted to buy another camera he had for sale!

Anyway, that's why Mark isn't a friend. And he's had the unmitigated gall to go around on this forum bashing and demeaning me!

It is he who has no room to speak.

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Tim Reed
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Oh, yes, I remember. He never sent the matte box assembly for the camera, either.

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Richard May
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 - posted 11-30-2009 06:08 PM      Profile for Richard May   Email Richard May   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Is it me, or is taking it to court a joke? Like Scott said, he has a judgement by default for them not showing. Who now is going to go after these people. This happens all the time. I know of many, many people who have had judgement against someone for many years with no results. This is why people don't even bother trying to collect money sometimes for old debts. This is also why people stiff people sometimes because they know they can pretty much get away with it. As far as getting money up front or getting some kind of guarantee, they will just go to someone else who will sell them the items on credit.I'm ALL for public ridicule!!!

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Louis Bornwasser
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Yes, taking it to court is a joke. Public ridicule sometimes works. . . or at least protects someone else.

My own lawyer said that (now that terroristic threatening is illegal) if I discover a way to collect debts to let him know; he has a list for me to follow up on. Louis

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Mike Blakesley
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I don't really understand why it's illegal to walk into a store and steal something, but if you buy something on credit, promise to pay and then don't, that's NOT illegal. Well, maybe it is, but taking someone to court is "a joke" and there's no recourse if they don't pay a judgement. How is that NOT stealing?

Plenty of laws protect the deadbeats, but nothing protects the business owner.

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Demetris Thoupis
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That is why always you should have a signed contract. Contact is the best way to move things to court.
Demetris

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