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Edward Havens
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No matter what's been thrown out there in the realm of home entertainment... from cable and VHS and Atari in the 1970s to Blu-Ray and PVOD and large widescreen flatscreen montiors and PS4 and XBox One and steaming to any device today... movie theatre attendance has held strong for the last few decades. We keep getting more ways to consume motion pictures, but we keep going out to the movies.

The doomsayers keep focusing on the minutea and forgot to look at the big picture (pun intended). If there are 100m households in America, 30m subscribers to Netflix streaming still means 70% of Americans don't use Netflix. Margin Call doing $10m on PVOD still means hundreds of millions of Americans do not care for PVOD. 29m copies of GTA5 sold in a month still means the most popular game ever sold still was not purchased by 90% of the population.

Movies are a niche market, one that will continue to survive and thrive, just as live stage shows and ballets and operas and symphonies have survived and thrived over hundreds of years and many changes in the world.

The sky isn't falling. It's not getting darker. It's just a different day.

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Buck Wilson
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^^^That's pretty much what I figured would happen.

"The move is likely to encourage other studios to follow suit, accelerating a complete phase-out of film that could come by the end of the year."

I keep reading this everywhere and it hasn't happened yet............

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Mike Blakesley
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Well....it isn't the end of the year yet, is it? [Wink]

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Brad Miller
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quote:

Among the exceptions will be Christopher Nolan's science fiction movie "Interstellar," which will be released in both film and digital formats when it opens nationwide Nov. 7, Moore wrote.

That's just stupid. By the time November comes around, any 35mm theaters left running without digital capability will be the super crappy ones with deplorable presentations.

I'll bet they change their mind come November and it doesn't actually happen. (After all I predicted a couple of years ago that in January 2014 the first studio would drop 35mm and I pegged that right down to the month.)

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Justin Hamaker
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What will be interesting with that Interstellar release is to see if Paramount allows any theatres which have side by side capabilities to have a 35mm print, rather than a digital.

As Brad mentioned, how is any 35mm only venue going to be able to survive through the year if the number of 35mm prints continues to decline, and we see more digital only releases. At what point will there just not be enough butts in the seats to keep the lights on.

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Buck Wilson
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This may not be an average scenario, but the second run theater I work at does very good business and could easily remain open. Unfortunately there are a number of other things preventing a digital conversion/investment and the land sold last week and building will be demolished by May and I don't know where I was going with this, excuse me while I sob quietly in the corner.

I guess the point is....... Wait, what were we talking about?

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Brad Miller
That's just stupid. By the time November comes around, any 35mm theaters left running without digital capability will be the super crappy ones with deplorable presentations.

I'll bet they change their mind come November and it doesn't actually happen. (After all I predicted a couple of years ago that in January 2014 the first studio would drop 35mm and I pegged that right down to the month.)

+1.

This press release translates as:

"In order to appease the odd prima donna director who has the ability to make headlines in the highbrow press, and in order to avoid being flamed by the "film forever" brigade, we're not saying formally that we're shutting the door on any possibility of any future 35mm releases. But what these Kool-Aid drinkers don't know won't hurt them, i.e. as far as we're concerned, as soon as we see the back of the stuff, the better."

Rewind to 1929-1930, and it was being confidently predicted by a vocal minority of critics that there would always be some silent movies made, because silent movies were a wonderful art form and should not be allowed to die. Rewind to 1966-67 (when the major US TV networks made the joint decision that new movies purchased for mainstream broadcast had to be in color), and the next generation of those critics were asserting that there would always be some black-and-white movies made, because black-and-white movies were a wonderful art form and should not be allowed to die. Now we're being told that film will survive forever, because it's a wonderful art form (and long-term preservation medium) and should not be allowed to die.

How many silent or b/w movies have been made and achieved anything close to a mainstream release since these predictions? A tiny handful of essentially exprimental films (e.g. Baraka, The Artist, Schindler's List, Manhattan). However, what distinguishes silent and b/w movies from those originated photochemically as distinct from digitally is that the technology needed to make and show them remained in commercial production long after it stopped being used in those ways. Everything we know about cost, complexity and the economies of scale of film manufacturing (plus the infrastructure needed to process the stuff) at the very least brings the assumption that the same thing will apply here into question.

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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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quote: Justin Hamaker
What will be interesting with that Interstellar release is to see if Paramount allows any theatres which have side by side capabilities to have a 35mm print, rather than a digital.
Paramount and the chains will do what they did for The Master, the chains will install a limited amount (300 plus) of 35mm projectors in select theatres for a 4-6 week run.

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Jack Ondracek
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My wife was just musing on this...

How much will those "Interstellar" prints cost, once They'e among the last?

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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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Jack, if some studios went out of their way to make 70mm prints of The Master, the cost of prints for Interstellar are nothing as long as the movie makes money as intended. The whole idea of IMAX sequences and 35mm prints as well as Nolan's push to finish his movies on film are to generate buzz, excitement and bring awareness to the movie.

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Mike Blakesley
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If Christopher Nolan is out there touting 35mm, it might move a few people to 35mm auditoriums who would have seen the movie in digital if there was no 35mm option. I doubt it will put very many extra butts in the seats....I suppose there are a few film purists who will totally abandon going to theatrical movies when film is gone, but I doubt it's that many people.

So the net result will be a lot of money spent for no additional gain.

The other thing is, these 35mm houses probably won't have projectionists anymore, so how will the prints be treated? If the prints get trashed, the 35mm people might get SUBstandard shows, which can't help the cause at all.

Too bad there's not a way to make sure all 35mm prints wind up in the hands of the competent operators, however few they might be.

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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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quote: Mike Blakesley
The other thing is, these 35mm houses probably won't have projectionists anymore, so how will the prints be treated? If the prints get trashed, the 35mm people might get SUBstandard shows, which can't help the cause at all.

The chains had no problem with the 70mm installs of The Master.

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
The chains had no problem with the 70mm installs of The Master.
Really? Reported here that the Odeon West End was showing the print they scratched for days.

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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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Would never of happened in North America [Big Grin]

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Scott Norwood
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What chains installed 70mm for The Master? I had thought that it played at (mostly) independent houses that were already equipped for the format.

Were these chain installations rentals, or did they purchase the equipment and permanently install it?

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