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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Josh Kirkhart
The only differences between the 40 versus 80 are the extra inputs.
There's more differences between the 40GB & 80GB PS3 models than that. Repeating the unique features of the 80GB version:

* Bundled Motor Storm PS3 game
* Super Audio CD compatibility
* CF, SD/MiniSD & Memory Stick Flash Card slots
* 4 USB 2.0 ports instead of 2
* Limited PS2 & PS compatibility through emulation

The next 80GB package will include Metal Gear Solid IV as the bundled game.

The 40GB PS3 is the first PS3 model to not include SACD compatibility.

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Josh Kirkhart
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Thank You.

Yes, you get a game(motorstorm) instead of a movie(Spidey 3).

Didnt know anyone would care about Super CD.

Also has a welcome disc, controller, usb cable, power cable and other stuff.

for full tech info please see here: http://www.us.playstation.com/ps3/about/specs

For Joshs opinion on differences please see previous post.

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Ron Funderburg
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I'm not a gamer so I'm buy mine more for movies. I am curious about the 60 gig unit it seems to be a step on some of those options. It list the hardware difference but not the software differences.

My money from the sales I made has never hit the account and if my pay check doesn't get here tomorrow early or one of my wife's accounts pay early then my purchase will be Tuesday not this weekend.

It has been an expensive week, one dog lost an eye in fight with our big dog that the big dog started. I had the big dog put down, all tolled up the vet bill was over $500. My wife's car has a problem as of today that looks to cost about $300 to fix. HUM life!

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Joe Redifer
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For movies there really isn't much of a difference between the two units. The 40GB model can play PS1 games, but not PS2 (not sure how this was deemed a cost-saving issue).

I think there is a new firmware update for the PS3. When I was at my friends house we turned on his machine and it wanted to update. I'll turn mine on in a few minutes to see if it does the same. Not sure if it affects BD capabilities in any way.

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Bobby Henderson
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The newest firmware update (version 2.17) was released just a few days ago. Not sure what it adds. Probably just a bug fix.

quote: Josh Kirkhart
Didnt know anyone would care about Super CD.
Not every American is stupid enough to believe some Apple-tastic 128kb/s AAC file is equal to CD quality. Some Americans actually want to have a next-generation music format that really does have higher quality capabilities than "red book" CD.

Unfortunately, there's not enough of those types of folks in America. Too many others tolerate the deplorable low standards of music production now common in this country -thanks in part to shitty, extreme compressed iPod style music.

Even more laughable is the hypocrisy constantly on display. In one breath, some dumbass is going on about the greatness of his iPod. But in the next breath he's whining about Warner Bros. not including an uncompressed LPCM 5.1 track on one of their Blu-ray Discs.

SACD has largely been very stupidly ignored in the United States while gaining greater acceptance in Europe. I guess that just backs up the cliché about Europeans having a much greater appreciation of the finer things than us trailer house trash Americans.

quote: Josh Kirkhart
For Joshs opinion on differences please see previous post.
There was "opinion" in that post? I took it as a statement saying the only advantage the 80GB PS3 had over its 40GB counterpart was merely 2 more USB 2.0 ports.

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Ron Funderburg
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Even CD quality is a lossy format, Dolby Digital in theaters is compressed and therefor lossy the highest quality of sound in theaters is DTS but even that is a lossy format. High Fi stereo is a higher quality than CD and magnetic tape is the highest quality format (short of the uncompressed DTS and Dolby Digital). Actually I'm not 100% sure that magnetic tape isn't higher than DTS or Dolby Digital in their uncompressed formats as I haven't read up on the new version.

Still CD is pretty good for a car or even home. Vinyl gets scratches and an accidental placement of the mag tape near a magnetic can destroy them quickly.

I read something from way back in the 60's of theater finding out that their print was moving to another theater in the same town. Since it their competition was less than friendly the projectionist put a magnet someplace after the mag sound had and wiped out the multi track sound so they couldn't utilize their magnetic capability.

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David Stambaugh
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"Red Book" CD audio (standard CDs) is uncompressed and not lossy. Whatever might happen to the signal during its conversion from some other format to Red Book is a separate issue.

That projectionist should be shot, then hung.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Ron Funderburg
Dolby Digital in theaters is compressed and therefor lossy
Dolby Digital is lossy not because it is compressed but because they use a lossy compression scheme. Compression != lossy.

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Ron Funderburg
Actually I'm not 100% sure that magnetic tape isn't higher than DTS or Dolby Digital in their uncompressed formats as I haven't read up on the new version.
If the equipment is of very high quality and the recording is well engineered, 2 inch magnetic tape run at 30 inches per second with or without Dolby SR noise reduction can deliver results superior to the capabilities of standard music CD, both in terms of audio resolution and dynamic range.

Many DVD-A and SACD music discs have been made from old classic rock albums and such using high quality analog master tapes.

Some people still record to analog tape even today for its natural character and then sample the tape into digital form in 24-bit processes. The music score for Ratatouille was produced like that.

Red Book CD's 2 channel Linear PCM format is uncompressed. But it is limited in its 16-bit 44.1 kHz resolution. DVD-A and SACD had the capability of delivering audio in much higher levels of quality. Blu-ray Disc has those same capabilities as well by the nature of the audio formats it supports and the HDMI connections it can use.

There are both lossy and lossless data compression systems for audio, video and still imagery. The DD 5.1 system used in theaters is pretty severe in its level of lossy data compression. The bit rate is only 320kb/s. Most DD 5.1 tracks on Blu-ray Disc are 640bk/s, literally double the theatrical rate.

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Frank Angel
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quote: Bobby Henderson
Red Book CD's 2 channel Linear PCM format is uncompressed. But it is limited in its 16-bit 44.1 kHz resolution. DVD-A and SACD had the capability of delivering audio in much higher levels of quality. Blu-ray Disc has those same capabilities as well by the nature of the audio formats it supports and the HDMI connections it can use.

So, Bobby, is there any sense that Blu-ray will eventually be the format for everything -- audio-only and movies? I mean, what's the point of keeping the CD format if the newer format surpasses, given the new players can play all audio disk formats?

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Ryan Culbert
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As Far As Gamers Go The Only PS3 Model To Get Is The 60GB Version(which is discontinued as of oct. 07).
For Blu-Ray Either The 40 Or 80 GB Versions.
The 60GB Version Still Has The Emotion Chip Which Also Powered The PS2 And Offers Complete Backwards Compatibilty On PSone And PS2 Games.
The 80Gb Version Runs On Software Emulation As Far As Backwards Go.
The 40 GB Is A Base Model *SOME* backwards Compatibily.
Too Bad They Discontinued The 60Gb Model For Cost Cuase That Was The Model To Get If You Are A Gamer. I Had To Hunt And Buy Mine Before The Past Halloween Season, And Got 5 Free BD's Too!

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Frank Angel
So, Bobby, is there any sense that Blu-ray will eventually be the format for everything -- audio-only and movies?
Blu-ray Disc certainly has the physical/technical capability of being a "universal disc format" for many different purposes.

Currently, Blu-ray Disc is used for storing pre-recorded HD-quality programming and movies, Playstation 3 games and can be used for computer data storage. That's already a good range of uses.

However, most of the music industry, especially the more popular genres of music, are mired in the dark ages in terms of product sophistication. They can keep on using standard music CD because their production standards are so primitive and crude that there's currently no point in moving up to something better.

I've repeated my complaints of the badly over-driven nature of popular music today. It's like they're just pushing all the faders on the mixing console to the top with all the meters bleeding into the red. Clipping doesn't seem to be much of an issue these days. They just want it loud, even if it sounds like shit. Who cares? Everyone is going to be listening to it on some iPod or other MP3 player compressed to hell.

There could be some hope on the horizon.

Big improvements are being made in flash memory technology and solid state hard discs. Capacities are going to start growing by some big leaps over the next couple of years. By the end of this decade an average iPod could feature over 100GB of solid state capacity. The massive increases in data capacity will lessen the relevance of using severely lossy audio compression formats.

Some performers who do more to push the limits of audio technology with music can also influence industry shifts to support Blu-ray as a music delivery format.

Trent Reznor has released a new, all instrumental Nine Inch Nails album called Ghosts I-IV. It features 36 songs and is the first half of an 8 part series. He's made a number of these tracks available to download free from the NIN web site. Reznor is also making available a special limited edition of the music. The $75 item includes 2 CDs containing the songs in standard CD format, 1 DVD featuring original multi-track files that you can use to remix and a Blu-ray Disc featuring the music in 2 channel 24-bit 96kHz audio with on screen graphics. It also includes a coffee table type book with artsy photography. A bonus item with the set includes a one time free download of all the music in your choice of portable formats (AAC, MP3, Apple Lossless, etc.). The files are DRM free.

I've had high praise for Reznor's willingness to embrace formats like SACD and DualDisc for past music releases. He's certainly setting another very positive example for other music performers to follow.

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quote:
Too Bad They Discontinued The 60Gb Model For Cost Cuase That Was The Model To Get If You Are A Gamer. I Had To Hunt And Buy Mine Before The Past Halloween Season, And Got 5 Free BD's Too!
I'm too tired to think up a proper response to this. Hey Michael C., this one's all yours.

quote: Bobby Henderson
However, most of the music industry, especially the more popular genres of music, are mired in the dark ages in terms of product sophistication. They can keep on using standard music CD because their production standards are so primitive and crude that there's currently no point in moving up to something better.
What are you blaming the music industry for? The average consumer is the problem. It's the consumer who has rejected things like SACD and other improved formats, in favor of smaller/cheaper/"free." Same reason Blu-Ray isn't flying off the shelves.

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Bobby Henderson
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Mike, you obviously don't see the "chicken vs. egg" thing involved in this issue. The customer is not to blame at all. The failure of SACD and DVD-A is entirely the fault of the music industry.

Most people who buy popular music are pretty young. The music labels selling content on SACD did next to nothing to market high resolution audio to the biggest music buying demographic. They supplied next to nothing in terms of titles that demographic would have been interested in buying.

Outside of The Downward Spiral by Nine Inch Nails and a scattering of a few other titles that were already several years old as well, mainstream music performers have been completely absent from supplying content.

What makes anyone believe the average 20 to 30 year old person would be even the slightest bit interested in SACDs made from old rock albums from the 1970s? Some of that stuff being sold is music my parents listened to when I was in elementary school. The biggest demographic of music buyers are not going to buy that crap regardless of how it's packaged.

Go back over the last several years since SACD and DVD-A were introduced. Look through the top selling music albums of those last several years. You probably will not find any of those top selling titles available in any multichannel format, much less something high res like SACD or DVD-A.

The notion that young people rejected SACD and DVD-A over iPods is frankly really damned stupid. It ignores the very obvious point that the music labels didn't make the slightest effort to give SACD or DVD-A any chance at all to succeed. They didn't supply any current, new titles from current, new, popular music acts. Instead, they gave us a bunch of old-ass 30 year old classic rock albums, jazz stuff and classical music. Every new audio or video format lives and dies by the quality of titles available to it.

What the music industry did with SACD and DVD-A would be the equivalent of the movie industry launching Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD using nothing but a bunch of black and white movies from the 1930s and 1940s.

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Joe Redifer
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It also didn't help that you had SACD and DVD-A. A format war which less than 100 people in the world cared about. In my opinion SACD has no right whatsoever to exist. The word "Super" should never be used as a format. What do you call it's successor... Hyper Mega?

EDIT: This is my 7,777th post. It is a scientific fact that the number seven is lucky. Since this post made my post count 7777, it is only logical to assume that I won a prize. What is my prize?

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