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David Stambaugh
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posted 05-20-2008 09:32 PM
Neil Young career archive to be released on 5-disc Blu-ray boxed set (Wall Street Journal)
HOLLYWOOD REPORT
Forever Young
Neil Young's Long-Promised Archive Is Actually in the Works
And Coming Out on Blu-ray
By ETHAN SMITH
May 16, 2008
Since the 1980s, Neil Young has been telling fans he is close to releasing an exhaustive, interactive archive of music, photographs, video footage and other material from his storied career.
The project has achieved legendary status in the music world, not for the music it contains but because it has never surfaced, despite Mr. Young's periodic promises. The Canadian rocker has attributed the serial delays to technical shortcomings and sound-quality problems in media ranging from CD-ROMs to DVDs.
Last week, he announced his most concrete plans yet for the long-awaited project, using a medium few people can play and fewer still associate with music: Blu-ray. Sony's next-generation, high-resolution DVD recently won a format war against Toshiba's HD-DVD.
Mr. Young's first, five-disc installment is due this fall, probably in October, and is to cover his career from 1963 to 1972.
Among the memorabilia and artifacts to be digitally reproduced are letters from Mr. Young to his parents while on tours with his first band, the Squires, and business records. Some gigs in bars and high-school gyms around Canada paid the Squires as little as 10 Canadian dollars apiece.
"It's a life," says Elliot Roberts, Mr. Young's manager. "It's a biography. You see what he's writing about and the development of his writing."
Larry Johnson, the project's producer, says the first installment is to include about 128 songs, 18 of them never released before. There are to be 200 photographs, 160 lyrics manuscripts and more. Among the 90 articles and reviews are some less-than-favorable ones. "There were a lot of choices to be made," Mr. Roberts says. "Neil's choice was to leave the warts on."
Mr. Young has long been one of the audiophiles, including Bob Dylan, who complain about the sound quality of CDs, saying it is inferior to that of vinyl records and the reel-to-reel tape still used in some recording studios. Mr. Young's "Archives" is the first major use of Blu-ray as an audio medium. (Other performers, including Céline Dion and Shakira, have released concert videos on BD, or Blu-ray Disc.)
Even DVDs, which theoretically offer higher-quality sound than CDs, have drawbacks, Mr. Young said last week in San Francisco during a public unveiling of "Archives Volume 1." The event was hosted by Sun Microsystems, whose Java programming platform is used in the Blu-ray format.
"It wasn't really quite good enough," Mr. Young said of DVD sound quality. "You couldn't go through the archival materials and listen to the high-res music at the same time, which is what I thought that most of my users would want to do." Blu-ray's audio "sampling rate," a key factor in digital-sound quality, is more than four times higher than that of a standard CD.
Mr. Johnson, who has worked with Mr. Young since the two met at Woodstock, says the rocker talks of "Archives" as a near compulsion. Thanks to his love-hate relationship with technology, Mr. Young has obsessed over the project for years but had been unwilling or unable to complete it. "When we get it out," Mr. Johnson says, "he won't have to think about it anymore."
In Blu-ray, Mr. Young found a medium that resolved his two main problems, thanks to higher-quality audio and an animated, on-screen interface he says is "sort of like a videogame." The format addresses other issues, too. For instance, a purportedly exhaustive undertaking like "Archives" is bound to leave out material that surfaces later, or for which there isn't room. Thanks to a feature called BD-Live, Mr. Young and his collaborators can add material later, via Internet download, which can be stored on a hard drive in the Blu-ray player itself, where it will appear to a user as though it were part of the disc.
Still, not many fans own Blu-ray players. According to Sony, there are around six million Blu-ray players in North America, more than half of them in the company's PlayStation 3 videogame systems. (That's equal to 0.8% of the 750 million CD players, including those built into PCs, in North American homes and vehicles, according to the Consumer Electronics Association.) At the Sun Microsystems event, Mr. Young reminded the audience of the PlayStation tie-in. "Those PS3s are available everywhere," Mr. Young said. "Music lovers should take note."
Cheerleading aside, Mr. Young is in discussions with his label, Reprise Records, to release two later versions of the set, one on DVD and another on CD. Mr. Roberts, his manager, says users will inevitably make their own lower-resolution copies for use in cars or iPods. "It'll be copied down to [CD] anyhow, and it'll be even worse quality" than commercially released CDs.
Peter Standish, senior vice president for marketing at Reprise and its sister label, Warner Bros., says the company is working out how best to balance Mr. Young's concern with sound quality against the reality that few consumers can listen to Blu-ray discs. "We want to do right by Neil and by his fans," Mr. Standish says. "We're still formulating a decision" about whether and when to release the set on DVD and CD. As for plans to issue Blu-ray music releases for other artists, the executive adds, "It hasn't come up yet, but why not?"
The track record for physical music formats that purport to improve on CDs has been mixed at best, even as digital downloading has taken off. An alphabet soup of would-be successors have come and mostly gone without making a commercial dent. It's unclear whether a Blu-ray music disc can gain traction where SACD, HDCD, CDVU-Plus, DualDisc and DVD-A have not.
Among the material Mr. Young's fans might find in the first batch of "Archives" updates are songs by the Mynah Birds, a mid-'60s outfit that featured Mr. Young and Rick James, the late funk pioneer in his pre-"Super Freak" days. Although Mr. Young has Mynah Birds recordings stored at his ranch in Northern California, he left them out of "Archives." "He felt it wasn't really part of his body of work," Mr. Johnson says. "It may be something we add later."
"Archives" isn't the only material Mr. Young has recently dusted off. Last year, he released the long-awaited "Live at Massey Hall 1971," featuring early concert versions of songs such as "Old Man" and "Cowgirl in the Sand."
Mr. Young's collaborators say they are at work on volumes two through five of "Archives." Among the gems set for inclusion in the second volume is footage of Mr. Young jamming in a Northern California Chinese restaurant-cum-nightclub with an early incarnation of the band Devo.
The footage includes some of the "warts" the rocker has opted to leave in. Devo's punked-out fans, apparently unimpressed by Mr. Young's legendary status, mocked him with a play on his name, according to Mr. Johnson, who filmed the episode. He recalls with a laugh that they welcomed Mr. Young to the stage chanting, "Real Dung!"
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Bobby Henderson
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posted 05-21-2008 02:40 PM
That's kind of old news. Hasn't it been nearly a month since Neil Young made this BD announcement?
quote: Ethan Smith, Wall Street Journal
The track record for physical music formats that purport to improve on CDs has been mixed at best, even as digital downloading has taken off. An alphabet soup of would-be successors have come and mostly gone without making a commercial dent. It's unclear whether a Blu-ray music disc can gain traction where SACD, HDCD, CDVU-Plus, DualDisc and DVD-A have not.
One common problem with those other formats is they served only a single purpose. Blu-ray Disc is already being used for multiple purposes. It's geared for high definition movies. But it's also the main delivery method for Playstation 3 games and is now gaining a footing in desktop computers and notebooks as a data storage medium. Blu-ray players can also play back audio in high quality levels equal to what DVD Audio tried to deliver and do so with an all digital HDMI connection.
Multiple purposes give Blu-ray a much greater chance of gaining widespread adoption than those other audio-only formats. Those other formats had other deal breaking issues to go along with the problem of limited uses.
SACD and DVD-A had a very limited number of music titles in support. They were also expensive and for their first years in the market SACD and DVD-A players were limited to analog output. I think that soured the deal with at least some audiophiles.
DualDisc had the same lack of title support. Worse, the DualDisc format had reports of hardware problems. The discs wouldn't read in certain CD players and there were even reports of discs shattering in some DVD players. The format's discs were slightly thicker than standard CD and DVD discs, and that could have been the main cause for those problems.
HDCD has been around for a long time, but few understand what improvement it actually provides for music CDs. For most, it's just a meaningless logo on the CD jewel case.
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."
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posted 05-23-2008 12:02 PM
For those wanting Blu-ray players costing $99 or less, that could be happening in 2009.
Chinese companies authorized to produce Blu-ray products
quote: ZDNet Asia
Chinese companies authorized to produce Blu-ray products
By Staff, ChinaTechNews
Friday, May 23, 2008 10:24 AM
Eleven Chinese disc manufacturers, including TCL, Malata and Desay, have been authorized by Blu-ray Disc Association to produce Blue-Ray discs, CDs, and disc players next year.
According to president of Blu-ray Disc Association, each of the manufacturers has now turned to BD development since Toshiba's withdrawal from the HD DVD camp in February this year and BDA's member number has increased to 187 while that of International DVD Forum has decreased to 163 from 240.
It is estimated that the demand for consumer electronics and computers adopted with BD technology will reach 5.3 million this year and top 11 million by 2009.
Meanwhile, some Blu-ray players costing less than Sony's 40GB Playstation 3 are appearing in stores.
I personally noticed our local Wal-Mart Supercenters (two of them) moved their Blu-ray movies out of a single locked glass cabinet onto some new, larger Blu-ray oriented display. The movies aren't locked in a case anymore (even though many of the new release DVDs are still locked away behind glass). The store previously had only a couple dozen or so titles in stock. Now they have more, including previously unavailable Paramount BD titles and Bee Movie from Dreamworks. Along with the bigger selection of movies, they have four Blu-ray player models on the center shelf. The 40GB Playstation 3, the Panasonic DMP-BD30, Samsung's new BD-P1500 and the Magnavox branded Funai Blu-ray player. The new Samsung player is priced at $350 and the Funai unit costs $298. At least they have more PS3 systems in stock. That's mainly what they're going to keep moving in terms of Blu-ray capable products. The deals on movies and players are going to be better this fall.
I'm a little surprised to see Wal-Mart put together a promotional display for Blu-ray given the relatively high prices of the players and movies. However, the store has no 4:3 televisions left. And some of the HDTVs they're selling are 1080p models nearing the $2000 mark.
BTW, I didn't see anymore HD-DVD discs around. Wal-Mart was supposed to remove those discs at the end of March. I guess they kept them in the store for the benefit of HD-DVD customers looking to stock up on discs.
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