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Mattias Ohlson
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Mr Pytlak
I will be more precise. I guess I am asking if anyone is close to launch/demo a real product not just a prototype. I am expecting d-ila to be coupled with laser illumination. There are so many compelling reasons for using lasers. I dont know what effect on cost using lasers will have though.

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John Pytlak
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All in good time, Mr. Ohlson. [Wink]

For now, there are also compelling reasons NOT to use lasers. [Roll Eyes]

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Steve Kraus
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So we really are all doomed. All in good time.

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Bevan Wright
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Mattias,

The 4k "laser" projector is Kodak's project code name 'Allan Parsons', due to be delivered right after they get done putting the lasers on the sharks. [Smile]

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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John Pytlak
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And the role of Dr. Evil is played by... [Big Grin]

Your laser humor is "grating". [Wink]

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Mattias Ohlson
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Has Dr. Evil a SON Y?

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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Nope, Gerry.

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Mattias Ohlson
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Can I expect anything digital non TI to be disclosed/showed at NAB2004? A little bird mentioned a select showing of 4k sxrd(sonys version of lcos) at Showest.

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John Pytlak
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Lots of birds flying around Las Vegas. [Big Grin]

Sony had a "teaser" in the goody bags given to all who registered at ShoWest. It said: "Thinking 2K? Think Twice."

There was a private, invitation-only, screening.

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Richard Fowler
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Intel entry into the LCOS market may also show up at the show.

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David M. Dorn
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Several observations on this thread:
1. When it come to technological change...Never say Never!
2. For Hight Def. broadcast TV at 4K see:
http://www.nhk.or.jp/strl/open2002/en/tenji/id07/07.html
3. If you are attending NAB, DALSA will be showing film vs. digital comparision. The digital is shot with the Dalsa "Orgin" 4K 14 bit camea which usss a 35mm frame sized chip and mechanical shutter. If anyone sees the demo please post a report.
4. If a production uses a digitai intermediate process at 2K aren't we seeing a digital film even if the release is on film? A DI at 4K may be closer but..."silver is silver and bits is bits" and don't forget bit depth.
5. I personally think that Digital in the commercial theateer is driven by the studios desire to cut distribution cost. Since when did they ever worry about the theaters? Look at the shortened DVD release dates.
6. Does any one have statistics about how many theaters are showing second run moves? Most of the independents in my area are gone. Also how many multiplexs show classical films or second runs of deserving films at least occasionally?
Is this a thread or a virus ? [Smile]

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John Pytlak
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You certainly have some pretty big companies working on various aspects of it: TI, Sony, Kodak, Intel, Microsoft, Thomson, JVC, NEC, etc.

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Bobby Henderson
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And the end goal of all those companies developing products for "digital cinema" are really targeted in the end for the much more lucrative home consumer electronics market. Every one of those DLP and LCOS chips are developed with that ultimate purpose in mind.

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Steve Kraus
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Make no mistake about it: The theatrical market for projectors is miniscule. The big market for chips and related items is the business market and, as costs come down, the home market. There probably won't be home 4K units anytime soon but lesser forms of HD are already affordable for many.

A theatre has only a few things to sell: The biggest, sharpest picture (we lost best sound a while ago), first run features, and the communal viewing experience. Unfortunately, for many the latter is a negative not a positive.

As home equipment becomes higher and higher definition the technical superiority of theatres will be lost. The screens may be larger but that's a relative thing anyway. Floor to ceiling 2K HD at home would be pretty compelling.

And first run will go whereever the content producers can earn the most the fastest. When a theatrical run is no longer necessary to legitimize a feature as a "real" movie then delivering it to home theatre users as a pay-per-view event may deliver the biggest, fastest bang for the buck.

Someone will probably point out that people have predicted doom for movie theatres for years, with each new competitor. This time however, the playing field may be leveled in the technical sense. Thus if the business is to survive it's imperative to maximize the theatre-going experience. Make it the best it can be.

Of course you already do that, right? [Big Grin]

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John Pytlak
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Kodak's developments in "Hybrid Imaging Technology" have greatly helped advance motion picture technology: scanners, laser recorders, "digital intermediate", and even the first sound-on-film digital sound system (CDS). Unlike some other companies, most "spinoffs" to consumer products like digital cameras or hard copy output will likely not be in competetion to the movie industry:

http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/products/v2/sehlin.shtml

Did you know that Kodak researcher Bryce Bayer invented the "Bayer Filter" array used in almost all digital still cameras and single-chip digital video cameras?

quote:
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United States Patent 3,971,065
Bayer July 20, 1976

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Color imaging array

Abstract
A sensing array for color imaging includes individual luminance- and chrominance-sensitive elements that are so intermixed that each type of element (i.e., according to sensitivity characteristics) occurs in a repeated pattern with luminance elements dominating the array. Preferably, luminance elements occur at every other element position to provide a relatively high frequency sampling pattern which is uniform in two perpendicular directions (e.g., horizontal and vertical). The chrominance patterns are interlaid therewith and fill the remaining element positions to provide relatively lower frequencies of sampling. In a presently preferred implementation, a mosaic of selectively transmissive filters is superposed in registration with a solid state imaging array having a broad range of light sensitivity, the distribution of filter types in the mosaic being in accordance with the above-described patterns.

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Inventors: Bayer; Bryce E. (Rochester, NY)
Assignee: Eastman Kodak Company (Rochester, NY)
Appl. No.: 555477
Filed: March 5, 1975


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