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Buck Wilson
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My answer is a resounding no. Seems like such a silly idea to me.

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Bobby Henderson
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Movies need to be shown in a traditional enough environment as possible. IMHO, that also means having stuff like curtains that open/close and masking around the screen. Too many new multiplex auditoriums make me feel more like I'm at Home Depot or something rather than inside a movie theater. There needs to be some class in the atmosphere.

I don't understand the motive behind making an auditorium feel like some kind of living room lounge. I can understand using big, plush recliners and putting other luxury features into a age 21+ luxury screening room concept.

Some theaters have had success with putting the restaurant inside the movie theater, although that's not something I want in every auditorium.

One thing I haven't seen tried yet: a theater auditorium as a sports bar. I think it could work. You have a few rows of bar tops with stool style chairs positioned in front of a huge screen, good for watching the NBA Finals, Super Bowl or other big events. If I was going to build a sports bar I would want a central, focused area pointing toward a main feature screen. The main screen would have a high powered traditional 5.1 channel sound system. That area would be flanked on the left and right by other seats, big screen HDTV sets, etc. I have a pretty cool image in my head of how it would look. Just need a bunch of start-up capital to make it real.
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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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Bobby, are you suggesting a sports bar within a theater so people can see the Super Bowl or NBA Finals and then go watch a a movie afterwards?

As for the curtains, I am not sure it really matters to the younger groups who have never seen a movie or were not brought up with curtains. I think we are on to almost 20 years now without curtains in my area.

While I agree with the idea of masking, patrons are not turning turning away or rejecting open flat screens from Cineplex, so perhaps the perception is what is appealing most. I would rather have dual aspect ratios like Avatar if the removal of masking is going to become a standard.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
I am not sure it really matters to the younger groups who have never seen a movie or were not brought up with curtains.
It shouldn't just be about giving the "younger groups" (aka people who aren't necessarily aware of how things should be) what they expect. It should be about giving them something extra and a little special. A plain white panel stuck out of a wall doesn't do that. Sure they might not "notice" and they sure as heck aren't going to "turn away" (because they came wanting to see a movie, after all) but the specialness is reduced.

The non-specialness comes in a lot of ways -- no curtain or stage treatment, poor presentation, noisy patrons, too many trailers, distracting lights, etc...but in the end the audience may not feel like they've gotten their money's worth but may not really even be able to pinpoint exactly why. The effect is negligible but builds over time to the point where they just stop coming.

This industry shouldn't be about satisfying people's expectations; it should be about EXCEEDING them. That makes people want to come back again.

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Steve Matz
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I can remember all our downtown Theaters in the 50's and 60's having these Beautiful Crimson Red Curtains that had sparkles on them as well as when you entered the seating area from the Lobby had the same looking Material curtains. It just made the theater look Classy.

We as Kids would be goofing around in our seats on Saturday Afternoon Matinees but when we saw those Screen Curtains slowly come apart in the Middle and the house lights Dim we stopped Horsing around and knew this was the start of our entertaining afternoon. Walking into one of these Multiplex theaters now days with a Blank white screen that is just half the size or more than you remember and no Background Drapes, Curtains,etc. looks pretty Boring...

If they would do something like this Photo with their Screens,it would at least give you the illusion that the Screen is larger than what it is...

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Scott Jentsch
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quote: Mike Blakesley
This industry shouldn't be about satisfying people's expectations; it should be about EXCEEDING them. That makes people want to come back again.
I couldn't agree more. A screen that shows the image meets the people's expectations. A screen that is covered by curtains that open as the lights dim exceeds those expectations and like Steve said, it's a clear signal that the show is about to begin and the audience should transition from the pre-show experience (getting situated, turning off the cell phone, quieting down) to the movie-watching experience. It's that little bit of showmanship that will impress people.

So, say you can't afford the curtain route because you're allergic to velvet. How about a video that starts with the image that Steve posted of the closed curtains, and then the back curtain pulls back to reveal a message or the policy trailer or something, and then the outside curtains slowly pull out of the frame as well, revealing the full screen, just as if you had real curtains and the stage hands to yank the ropes?

A quick look through YouTube shows quite a few examples of this, as well as some companies selling After Effects packages that look like they could be used to integrate into a pre-show video.

I might be overestimating its effect on audiences, but doing things like this might help keep a theater from showing up in this thread.

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Mike Frese
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We had a 4 screen theater. Two of the rooms were 80% couches and our customers loved those rooms. Now our other 2 rooms did not have the most luxurious theater seating available but other theaters in the area have the most common rocker hi-back seats.

Any plan I have for a theater would include a 50/50 ratio of couches to traditional theater seating.

As for curtains: I could care less if a theater had them. I am concerned about the image quality, sound, comfortable seating, and respectful patrons.

Unfortunately the B & B theater I go to the most has spots on most of the screens. Annoys the crap out of me but not the rest of my family.

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Allan Barnes
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I AGREE. I WISH I COULD PUT IN CURTAINS... MAYBE AFTER I PAY OFF THE BARCOS DIGITAL PROJECTORS.

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Brad Miller
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quote: Scott Jentsch
How about a video that starts with the image that Steve posted of the closed curtains.....
It would just look cheap and corny. Sort of like a doctor's office with a 42 inch flat screen tv showing the fishbowl instead of an actual tank and real fish.

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Steve Guttag
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I agree...fake curtains are just that...a reminder that you aren't getting the real thing. The only place where it worked for me was on a Smilebox BluRay...they filmed real curtains on a Cinerama screen and put them into the disc so they actually moved and waved correctly. The whole Smilebox thing is a novelty anyway so I'll allow it.

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Louis Bornwasser
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There will be no couches in Kentucky: code violation. It is too bad we don't even have the option.

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Martin McCaffery
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The fake curtains remind me of how some distributor used to letterbox re-issued silent films by printing curtains on the sides. B&W curtains at that.

Yeah, animated curtains would be cheesy, but if they are before the policy trailers, which are often pretty cheesy themselves, you could have some fun with it. A lot depends on your theatre and the kind of vibe it has. Wouldn't work at DC's Uptown, but may at LA's Cinefamily.

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Frank Angel
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Fake curtains is to a movie theatre as plastic flowers are to a funeral home. A naked movie screen staring at an audience is to "class" as a table with no table cloth in a 5 star restaurant is to "eeeuw." Sure, you might be able to can get away with it (well, maybe not plastic flowers in a funeral home), if all you want to do is, well, get away with it.

Brad once said that all the accouterments of theatre operation mean nothing unless the presentation is top notch. And of course that is correct. But once you've got great image and sound, what you surround it with will determine the audiences perception of the ENTIRE experience (as over-used as that word has become, thank you IMAX). Great picture and sound is not all that's involved with the package that the ticket buys.

A 5 star restaurant certainly needs to have a top notch chef and exquisitely prepared food, but if the surroundings are shabby, the waiter service is for crap and food presentation lacking it just isn't going to be an experience that customers will walk away from feeling good about. Just watch Kitchen Nightmares - Chef Ramsey.

In the end it IS the ENTIRE experience -- from when the patron walks in the building -- the decor, the cleanliness, the attitude of the staff, the fact that auditoria are patrolled or not and bad behavior is crush, or not, ASAP. As Scott says, eventually they will get the message. Let it go unabated, and you are doomed and all the policy trailers won't save you.

I was in an IMAX-D theatre last night and while the presentation was as good as I have seen, the two aholes who were texting and laughing during the movie. The disturbance was enough to mare that whole "experience" they tout as being so special. An usher or security patrolling the rooms and then either silencing them or throwing them out would have saved that show for me. I walked out of the show an angry customer; great picture and sound notwithstanding; angry because after they got my $19, they didn't give a rat's ass about me or my "IMAX Experience" once I was in the bowels of the complex.

Never once in two hours did an usher or any staff even stick their heads in the room to check on anything, not picture, not sound, not the two thugs annoying everyone.

Are screen curtains the alpha and omega of it all, of course not. But it's just one of those little touches that dress up the best presentation. Do you NEED candles and a rose on the table in a restaurant? No to that as well, but you will find them there for a reason -- it says, "Hey, buddy...congratulations, you and your date are not eating at McDonnalds."

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quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
I am not sure it really matters to the younger groups who have never seen a movie or were not brought up with curtains.
Young people aren't neanderthals -- they appreciate class and attentiveness to detail and know the difference between something that is aesthetically pleasing and something that is pedestrian. You just need to let them experience it. Young or old is irrelevant -- people recognize and appreciate the difference between a theatre that is unique and beautifully designed and also know when one that is utilitarian, bare bones, assembly-line stark. They just need to see the contrast.

What amazes me is that in most of these big multiplex, the lobbys are huge, with expansive, sparkling chrome and glass concessions counters that can run the length of the building. They sport the latest automated menu displays, beautiful neon lighting effects and it is obvious that lots of design thought went that lobby. Then you walk into these small, unattractive, hole-in-the-wall rooms where the movies are shown. It seems immediately apparent what the emphasis is here.

As for exhibitors being "allergic to velour" -- it sure seems like they are, at least for the screen -- they don't seem to be allergic when they use it to cover all the other walls of the theatre as a cheap way of not needing to do any other kind of more expensive design treatment. Allergic to velour -- use satin like we do for our curtain; it picks up the light much more dramatically than velour, it's 2/3rds lighter and requires a much smaller/lighter track and motor. Problem solved.

Naw, there's no excuse other than they just don't give a damn.

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Mike Blakesley
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As I've said many times before, I would love for us to have curtains; it's just not in the budget. So we have colored lights that shine across the screen and fade out when the show begins. I would never have a plain blank screen facing an audience… It's just not right.

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Martin McCaffery
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Just curious, does anyone still use waterfall curtains? I worked in a few theaters with them when I was starting out. Never seen one in a new theatre.

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