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Martin Brooks
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Regal opened a new 14-screen theater this week (or maybe last week) in downtown Manhattan in a new mixed-use building at Delancey and Essex street. Originally to be called the Market Line 14 (after the shopping center within), it's now called the "Essex Crossing & RPX", which sounds suburban to my ears.

14 screens with lounge seating, but not many seats in each: the smallest is 59, the largest is 139 (the RPX screen). Total of 1200 seats of which 896 are currently dedicated to the Avengers: Endgame movie.

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Small rooms with few seats? Why bother leaving the living room and the TV set?

Worse yet, people like me who care about details like whether a certain premium screen is equipped with Dolby Atmos or some other new technology, are finding even less information available about those amenities. And that only encourages picky viewers like me to just wait to rent a Blu-ray disc or watch it on Netflix (or a piracy Amazon fire stick bullshit thing).

Dolby removed the map feature from its web site recently. If you wanted to see what theaters in the United States or around the world had at least one Atmos-equipped screen (or Dolby 7.1, etc.) their map would show it. That is now gone.

The AMC theater chain used to list which theaters had "Dolby Cinema @ AMC" IMAX with Xenon or even the old AMC Prime thing. Those lists are now gone too. They still have pages for Dolby Cinema and what not. Just zero lists of which theaters are equipped with it.

I guess the suits are wanting to encourage customers to only visit theaters within the nearest driving distance, even if those theaters are bad or just unremarkable. They're going to try to sell every multiplex as if they all are equipped the same way. That approach only makes me want to watch movies only at home even more. Assholes.

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Dolby probably looked at their site analytics and found that the map feature was getting hardly any traffic, thus why pay some person to keep it maintained? Just get rid of it.

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It could be that, or a couple other possibilities. It does take time and effort (or some decent scripting of a database) to keep a map like that properly maintained. Quite a few other businesses, such as restaurant chains, manage it just fine.

Another possibility is lack of progress with new installations of things like Dolby Atmos. Not many theaters feature it. The rate of new Dolby Atmos installations in the United States is moving along at an extremely slow pace. That's despite the introduction of new multichannel amplifiers from Dolby and others that can simplify installation and lower the cost of Atmos. That slow situation doesn't look good on a map. BTW, DTS has never provided list or map of DTS-X installations on its web site. Finding theaters equipped with DTS-X is an even worse mystery.

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Let’s all remember that 59 seats in the recliner era is not the same thing as the godawful 59 seat rooms Carmike had in their Wynnsong builds that were like ten rows deep with maybe a 12-foot screen, the bottom which was 9 feet in the air to accommodate the forward exit door, and even then was offset center.

According to the seat map, the 59-seat room here is five rows thirteen recliners wide (they don’t count wheelchair space in the handicap row, which has seven physical seats), which should provide for an ample screen. And even at $17.90 per ticket before fees, there’s currently exactly one seat available for today’s first showing of Captain Marvel.

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quote: Bobby Henderson
BTW, DTS has never provided list or map of DTS-X installations on its web site. Finding theaters equipped with DTS-X is an even worse mystery.
Your post reminded me to see if the DTS:X situation had improved any, and I was pleasantly surprised to see that there are now shows being advertised, so I've added DTS:X to our search tool:

Movies Playing in DTS:X

Only 5 theaters, but it's a start...

Of course, the Atmos, Auro, and Dolby Cinema search tools are still there as well:

https://www.bigscreen.com/advsearch/advsearch.php

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quote: Bobby Henderson
The AMC theater chain used to list which theaters had "Dolby Cinema @ AMC" IMAX with Xenon or even the old AMC Prime thing. Those lists are now gone too. They still have pages for Dolby Cinema and what not. Just zero lists of which theaters are equipped with it.

True from the standpoint that they don't have the master list anymore. But if you go to the listing for any specific theater, it does tell you which screens are Dolby or IMAX or RPX or 3D.

From a consumer standpoint, that's all they really need. Most people check a few theaters near to them and they learn quickly which theaters have those special screens.

Remember also that AMC has an exclusive in the U.S. for Dolby Vision screens. And they seem to have stopped converting any more screens. No one who is talking seems to know if that exclusive deal ever expires. The reason why I think they're not doing any more Dolby screens (at least for now) is that theaters which previously had indications that Dolby was "coming soon" no longer have that indication, such as the Boston Common and the Livonia 20 in Michigan.

I suspect that AMC is evaluating whether the Dolby screens have a good ROI.

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AMC Entertainment's stock hasn't been doing so great. Shares fell 10.4% (to $13.12) today on news the company's losses for the first quarter were larger than expected. At the end of 2016 AMC's stock was peaking at $35 per share. It was down to $11 by November 2017 and been in the range of $15 per share since then.

That probably has something to do with the plug being pulled on all those Dolby Cinema @ AMC installations. I wonder if that might change anything in the exclusive agreement with Dolby, possibly allowing other US theaters to install their own Dolby Cinema screens.

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quote: Bobby Henderson
That probably has something to do with the plug being pulled on all those Dolby Cinema @ AMC installations. I wonder if that might change anything in the exclusive agreement with Dolby, possibly allowing other US theaters to install their own Dolby Cinema screens.
And maybe also the fact that more and more people are realizing that AMC doesn't care about providing a good experience?

I saw a tweet yesterday about an AMC that is playing the new Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer in front of Avengers: Endgame. The trailer completely gives away the big "surprise" from the ending of Endgame. How does that even happen?

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Cinemark's "Palace on the Plaza" at Kansas City's Country Club Plaza is reportedly closing at the end of the week to make room for a new Nordstrom.

Opened in 1999, it marked Cinemark's debut in the city, one of three planned Cinemarks initially announced but only two were actually built (the other is in Merriam, KS and is the worst Cinemark build I've ever seen). It was a prototype of sorts that debuted Cinemark's "Palace" decor used in future builds, at least in the lobby and corridors. The auditoriums were still in Cinemark purple with the Iinseltown look. Auditoriums were spread across two floors and two buildings connected by a skywalk. It had a VIP theatre available for private rentals for parties or corporate events.

The property had a reputation for issues with teen violence. Cinemark tried limiting admission to adults for awhile and offered lower admissions later, but although everybody seemed to like the place and had fond memories of it, they also didn't really seem to want to go there anymore.

Too bad, because Cinemark was really proud of the place when they opened it.

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Off the bat, it looks like a 20 year lease had run out.
In January of 2018 a 30 year lease with a mall in Corpus Christie ran out for Cinemark's Dollar Cinema. The mall it was located in may be about to be demolished. In 1985 The Legend of Billie Jean was filmed at that distinctive escalator the mall had.

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GOSH DANGIT. The Cinemark on the Plaza and the Tivoli 3 in westport were my two absolute favorite Kansas City theaters and they both close permanently within a month of eachother?! WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT.

That Cinemark was so nice. Was built THX certified, was always clean, nice pleather seats, nice decor, image was always good, and everything was markedly cheaper than an average theater which was real nice and quite the surprise considering that it's in the Plaza.

Ugh. Who wants a fucking Nordstroms. I'm going to try to make it for a last visit this weekend.

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B&B is renovating the former UA/Regal Northpark plex in Ridgeland, MS just north of Jackson in an apparent bid to compete head-to-head against a new Malco theater being constructed several miles away at Renaissance Center. https://www.wlbt.com/2019/05/17/bb-theatres-open-former-regal-cinema-northpark-mall/?

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quote: Geoff Jones
I saw a tweet yesterday about an AMC that is playing the new Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer in front of Avengers: Endgame. The trailer completely gives away the big "surprise" from the ending of Endgame. How does that even happen?

Which has absolutely nothing to do with AMC. That's a studio or distributor decision.

My experiences with AMC are fine, if I carefully choose which AMC theater I go to and which screen I see the movie on. I did experience the beginning of one show with no sound on a Dolby screen, but I went out and complained and they did fix it before the feature started.

I absolutely cannot stand small sreens with 50 seats (especially if they have a center aisle), but I can understand from a business standpoint why they do it.

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quote: Martin Brooks
Which has absolutely nothing to do with AMC. That's a studio or distributor decision.
I'm pretty sure Disney didn't want a trailer that spoils Endgame playing in front of Endgame. They made a point of recording a warning that you shouldn't watch the trailer unless you've seen Endgame. Other theaters ran the trailer after the movie, where it made sense.

The AMC nearest me was missing the left rear channel in one of its largest auditoriums for weeks despite multiple complaints. I saw Blade Runner at another AMC nearby right before BR2049 came out and it took them twenty minutes to figure out how to start it. The local AMC Dolby Cinema auditorium brags about how dark their blacks are, but the screen glows red from the exit lights. Several of their auditoriums have glass splash guards between rows of seats that block the view of the screen.

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My experiences with AMC are fine... I did experience the beginning of one show with no sound on a Dolby screen, but I went out and complained and they did fix it before the feature started.
That's pretty sad, actually.

As for the latest theaters to open or close...


Vancouver movie theater chain Cinetopia goes dark amid ‘restructuring’
Indefinite closure comes at critical point in legal battle


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By Anthony Macuk, Columbian business reporter

Published: May 22, 2019, 6:03 AM

Cinetopia, the luxury movie theater chain that started in Vancouver, appears to be undergoing an upheaval as its four locations were either closed this week or were prepared to close — with unclear indications of reopening.

Cinetopia’s Mill Plain location was closed Monday afternoon, with no visible staff inside and signs taped to the doors that read “Theater Closed until further notice.”

The Vancouver Mall location was open as of Tuesday. But according to the online movie ticket retailer Fandango, it was showing only two movies: “Detective Pikachu” and “John Wick 3” — and no show times were listed after Tuesday.

It was the same story at the Progress Ridge location in Beaverton, Ore. And a location near suburban Kansas City, Kan., closed Sunday, said a spokesperson for the location’s parent shopping mall, Prairiefire of Overland Park, Kan.

“All we know is that it is (closed) until further notice and they’re undergoing some possible renovation,” the spokesperson said.

Cinetopia resonates with Clark County moviegoers who witnessed the luxury theater’s growth from infancy. Its living room style theaters arguably set a standard for imitators who came years later. And coincidence or not, the abrupt shift in operations this week at the four theaters comes at a crucial time in Cinetopia’s year-old lawsuit against mega movie distributor AMC Entertainment Holdings, Inc., of Kansas City, Kan.

On Monday, signs in the windows at the Vancouver Mall location said food and beverage service was temporarily suspended due to “restructuring of Cinetopia.” Box office employees at the mall described the changes as a restructuring and declined to comment further. A representative who answered the phone at Cinetopia’s corporate office in Beaverton, Ore., described the operation as “a deep cleaning,” and declined to elaborate.

Battle over screening rights
In the lawsuit Cinetopia filed against AMC, the two sides agreed weeks ago to a Friday deadline to tell a federal judge in Kansas City, Kan. — AMC’s corporate hometown — the status of an out-of-court settlement the two companies were negotiating.

Cinetopia contends in the lawsuit that AMC is breaking antitrust law through a practice called “clearance,” in which a bigger theater chain refuses to screen new movies unless studio distributors agree to withhold the movie from nearby competing theaters during the initial few weeks after the release date.

In a 2014 interview with The Columbian, Cinetopia founder Rudyard Coltman said Cinetopia encountered the practice when it opened its first location in 2005. AMC used clearance again in 2014, Coltman said, when the Overland Park location opened — in close proximity to an AMC theater and about 3 miles south of AMC’s corporate headquarters.

Cinetopia filed its lawsuit in May 2018, saying AMC’s clearance practices had “torpedoed (the Overland Park location’s) debut as a destination theater, injured its reputation, and caused it to incur substantial operating losses.”

The lawsuit alleges that after the Overland Park Cinetopia opened in 2014, AMC immediately began using clearances to deny it access to summer blockbusters including “Godzilla,” “Captain America: The Winter Solider,” “Guardians of the Galaxy” and “Big Hero 6,” and that the practice continued in subsequent years.

“AMC’s conduct caused Cinetopia to lose millions of dollars in lost profits,” the suit says. “The clearances … created a downward spiral from which Cinetopia has yet to recover. The losses substantially exceeded the profits Cinetopia earned on its operations in the Portland, Oregon area.”

The suit said the losses scuttled Cinetopia’s plans to open theaters in new markets and delayed capital spending on theater improvements.

Back-and-forth over sale
Cinetopia’s lawsuit also alleged that AMC had engaged in bad-faith negotiations to purchase the four Cinetopia locations while simultaneously using the practice of clearances.

The complaint alleged that upon learning of the plans for the Cinetopia at Overland Park, AMC approached Cinetopia in 2013 with an offer to buy the facility, but then reneged on its initial suggested purchase price, prompting Cinetopia to reject the deal.

The lawsuit alleges AMC made a second offer to purchase the Cinetopia in February 2016. But AMC said the deal would not proceed until AMC completed its proposed acquisition of another theater company — Carmike Cinemas of Georgia.

The Carmike Cinemas deal closed in December 2016. The Cinetopia lawsuit alleges that AMC subsequently renewed its offer to purchase the Overland Park location, but at a lower price.

“AMC engaged in these bad-faith negotiations while continuing to assert clearances against Cinetopia Overland Park 18 in order to inflict further injury on Cinetopia,” Cinetopia says in its complaint.

And it says on May 9, 2017, AMC provided a letter of intent to buy the Cinetopia theaters.

“The purchase price was substantially lower than it had previously offered,” the lawsuit says, adding that AMC further reduced the offer later.

AMC at the time told Cinetopia it “could no longer complete the deal because its board had imposed (a) moratorium on transactions valued at over $5 million that might last up to two years,” the lawsuit says, adding that the two sides could not reach a sales agreement.

Of that failure, Cinetopia says in the lawsuit that, “AMC engaged in … bad-faith negotiations,” rooted in its use of clearances to damage the Overland Park Cinetopia and “eliminate a vigorous new competitor in AMC’s own backyard.”

But the legal tone changed in March. That’s when AMC and Cinetopia told a judge they were seeking a settlement in the case. In a recent filing, the two sides said they’d inform the court by Friday of a potential settlement.

It’s unclear whether the current Cinetopia closures are linked to the possible settlement. Coltman — Cinetopia’s founder — and the theater chain’s other leaders could not be reached for comment. Attorneys for Cinetopia and AMC did not return calls or emails seeking comment, nor did AMC’s corporate communication division.

Cinetopia changed the game
The original Cinetopia location off of Mill Plain Boulevard was heralded as a new kind of luxury movie theater when it debuted in 2005. The project, reported to have cost $9.5 million, updated the first-run multiplex formula with leather seating, high-definition digital projectors, a dining room and wine bar all under one roof.

The building included five traditional auditoriums and three smaller “living room” theaters with direct food and alcohol service.

Coltman made his move at a time when the industry was in the midst of a box office slump. In a July 2005 Columbian story, he pitched his creation as the solution to the problem, offering a moviegoing experience that audiences wouldn’t be able to replicate at home.

“We’re raising it to another level so people can get excited about going to the theater again,” Coltman said at the time.

It wasn’t Coltman’s first theater project. According to a 2004 Columbian story, he was part of a group that bought and restored a 1940 theater called the Eltrym in Baker City, Ore., in 1997. The project added a number of features that Coltman would later incorporate into the Cinetopia concept, such as luxury chairs and cutting-edge projectors and speakers.

Coltman operated the Eltrym for eight years, but he became embroiled in a dispute with the city in 2003 when building officials declared that the restoration project had triggered a requirement for a modern fire sprinkler system. Coltman said he couldn’t shoulder the estimated $130,000 cost of the retrofit, and the city shut down the theater in 2006 after the two sides were unable to reach a deal.

Coltman had already opened the first Cinetopia at that point. He reportedly moved to Portland in 2004 to pursue the project and settled on the Mill Plain site as the best Portland-area location. This time, he built the new theater from the ground up.

The second Cinetopia was announced in 2008 as the anchor for the future Progress Ridge shopping center in Beaverton, deploying the luxury cinema concept at a bigger scale – the new $15 million multiplex would include five “living room” theaters and seven auditoriums.

The next expansion was bigger still: the 23-screen, $18 million Cinetopia at Vancouver Mall, announced in 2010. The Progress Ridge location debuted in 2011 and the Vancouver Mall site opened its doors in 2012 after several months of construction delays. The Overland Park location was announced in 2011 and opened in 2014.

Reporter Allan Brettman contributed to this story.

Ironically, I'm going to be in Overland Park for my daughter's softball tournament this weekend, and we talked about going to see Aladdin while we are there. I had been planning to go to the Cinetopia theater. Sigh.

Now I'm trying to find someplace else. As one might guess, I try to avoid AMC theaters these days, but the AMC Town Center 20 is a half mile from AMC's corporate headquarters. That's gotta be a good theater, right?

Right?

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