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Kevin Baglow
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 - posted 12-25-2014 09:43 PM      Profile for Kevin Baglow   Author's Homepage   Email Kevin Baglow   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I watched it last night. It's well balanced and don't believe anyone inteligent would really be offended

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Pravin Ratnam
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Since it is sold out here, I just rented it on youtube. Problem is the computer browser version of youtube supports only 480p max resolution. And my Panasonic 65VT50's youtube app(acceptable for HD playback) for some reason doesn't support the video playback of the rental. I get an error "This video format is not supported". So I can't watch it at all in any resolution on the supported device it listed as acceptable for HD. So I am watching it on 480p. The Sound quality is not that great.Streaming is smooth, but once again, only at 480p.

I might take the trouble to hook up my PS3 and see if it's youtube app supports playback. Youtube tech support is inundated and is unable to help. So far, the experience is mediocre enough I am glad I am not paying more money than the 5.99

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Randy Stankey
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quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens

Randy, your comments are true to some extent, but the "wanting to see the movie" plays a bigger part.

Then, why do people go to restaurants and pay top dollar for food that they can eat at home? People just want to eat but they still go out for food.

Movie theaters are like restaurants but the great majority of theaters are more like McDonalds instead of like fine dining. THAT is the problem with the movie industry.

The theaters that survive into the future will be the ones that come to terms with the idea that they are in the SERVICE industry. The theater's job is to give the people the experience they want

I really hate it when people refer to movies as "product." The theater's product isn't the movie. It is the experience and the service.

"Service" doesn't just mean that we bend over and take it up the ass for every customer who bitches at you. Service means being NICE to people and making sure they enjoy their visit. That's why draft houses and dinner theaters are becoming popular. Because people can walk in, sit down, watch and movie, eat some food and ENJOY THEMSELVES.

Until more theaters get hold of that idea and make it their own, people WILL just stay at home and sit on on the sofa to watch movies.

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Lyle Romer
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quote: Randy Stankey
I really hate it when people refer to movies as "product." The theater's product isn't the movie. It is the experience and the service.
It's a bit of a combination. The service and experience is extremely important. However, if the movies are horrible, people aren't going to pay just to experience the theatre.

A restaurant with great atmosphere and service but crappy food won't last very long. Unfortunately in the exhibition business the "food" comes from another supplier and the owner can't do anything about the quality.

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Mike Blakesley
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That's true, but upping the quality of the experience can help. I remember when we first put in DTS sound. A friend and I tested the system by watching the movie "True Lies." During the first big shootout scene, my friend leaned over to me and yelled, "Wow, this could even make a shitty movie fun to watch!"

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Monte L Fullmer
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Like going to McD's: Crappy hamburgers, but people buy them in throngs.

Go figure

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Marcel Birgelen
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
SONY struck gold with this one along with the limited release houses playing it.
Yeah, they made a whopping ONE MILLION dollars already on their "theatrical release"... On a movie with a budget of about 44 million dollars, which apparently got SPE’s most kept secrets stolen and almost triggered an International crisis, this ONE MILLION $$$ sure sound daunting...

But yeah, forgive my sarcasm.

You know who really struck gold? The pirates! The movie was downloaded about 750.000 times alone via BitTorrent in the first 20 hours...

quote: Monte L Fullmer
Like going to McD's: Crappy hamburgers, but people buy them in throngs.
Yeah, but the whole point is: People can have crappy Mickey D's quality movies at home nowadays. They just need to turn on their tube and hit the Netflix button, they don't even need to get in the car. It's like having a McD's "hamburger" delivered instantly to your plate by the push of a button. The day this materializes (quite literally), your local McD's franchise will go the way of the local movie rental shack.

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That's true, but upping the quality of the experience can help. I remember when we first put in DTS sound. A friend and I tested the system by watching the movie "True Lies." During the first big shootout scene, my friend leaned over to me and yelled, "Wow, this could even make a shitty movie fun to watch!"
In my very personal experience, a good presentation can make a mediocre movie a good experience and a good movie a great experience. A crappy presentation can even ruin the best movie. It has always been a combination of both movie and presentation and it will always be this way. Hollywood and the exhibition industry need each other. I guess the f*cked up release of this movie really proves this point.

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Brad Miller
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There are HD download links all over the internet. I looked yesterday via a couple of simple google searches to see how bad the piracy on this movie was, and it didn't even take someone with the knowledge on how to download a torrent to get. There were lots of direct FTP servers dishing it out directly through a browser download with multiple user comments posting screenshots and certifying it was a valid download. It's pretty much exactly what scenario I expected to find.

With a VOD release, they're going to have a MAXIMUM of 48 hours to get their money back. In reality it's probably more like 24 hours. After that point clean copies will be available everywhere to anyone for free. This is just how the internet works.

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David Stambaugh
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I watched it via Google Play. The movie is vulgar crude too long and not funny enough.

I give it a thumbs up anyway. [Smile]

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Marcel Birgelen
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quote: Brad Miller
With a VOD release, they're going to have a MAXIMUM of 48 hours to get their money back. In reality it's probably more like 24 hours. After that point clean copies will be available everywhere to anyone for free. This is just how the internet works.
And good luck with that...

Right now, it's not even available internationally.

The only way to get it semi-legally outside the U.S. is by using a proxy in the U.S. and a credit card that actually somehow works. Apparently, Google doesn't match your credit card to a country, but Sony does.

So a bunch of frustrations, while the illegal version is just a Google search and a few clicks away...

Sony even didn't indicate when it will be available. Will it still go into theatrical release first or will it show up on VOD and rental within a few weeks?

Anyway, it doesn't matter by then. Everybody is talking about this movie right NOW, but you cannot legally see it or have it. So what do you expect what will happen in a world where everything needs to be NOW?

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Bobby Henderson
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One thing that might be on the side of Sony -or could be if they bothered to educate the public about it, is that anyone downloading torrents of The Interview (or torrents of anything else) is putting their computer's security at extreme risk.

Personally, most people I've known to get their computers hosed by trojans or other malware were doing something illegal. They were illegally downloading pirated music, movies or software. They get baited to download something they want badly and end up getting their computer infected in the process. Some of it is all too easy, like a person downloading Adobe Creative Suite and then downloading what he thinks is a license key generator, but is really a malicious script to totally fuck up his computer. It's even better than attaching malware to a junk e-mail.

quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
I am sick and tired of waiting for months until a movie is released on Netflix or DVD. I don't want to see everything with a theatrical experience and if it takes a down a few shitty theaters with it then so be it.
Leave it to Terry the Troll to throw some obviously ignorant flame-bait into the thread.

Just in case you're serious about that stance Terry, and are too stupid or ignorant to release the often previously repeated truth, it's pretty damned simple math. If the movie studios release movies onto VOD and home video formats the same time they release the same movies in theaters ALL commercial movie theaters will go out of business. When they go out of business, the movie industry as we know it will go out of business.

The theatrical release platform is what bankrolls those $200 million productions and $100 million ad campaigns. There is no fucking way any movie studio is going to ever spend that kind of money on a 2 hour movie made only to watch on little home HDTV screens. No way at all.

You'll say goodbye to all those epic-level movie productions and say goodbye to "A-list stars" commanding $20 million paychecks to helm a movie. All the big movie studios will be reduced to companies far lesser in size and relevance. They'll be production companies merely trying to sell content to cable or broadcast networks. They won't even be on par with outfits like Netflix.

The contagion will spread to all tiers of home entertainment. Anything that relies on "Hollywood Movies" to attract customers will just be screwed. An unstoppable domino effect will take place. Movie theaters will die first. As movie content goes low-budget and shitty due to its new "direct to video" model, customers will sour on buying/renting movies via PPV VOD and optical disc formats like Blu-ray. Then they'll sour on paying for premium cable channels like HBO. Then they may sour on paying all that money for cable. Netflix and other streaming outlets will also take it in the ass.

At least the movie theater has the opportunity, like restaurants, to deliver a great "out of home" entertainment experience. If you're paying to watch movies in your home it's only going to be about the quality of the content. Nothing else. If all the content is low budget and shitty then why bother paying for it? In the end TV networks will be the only game in town for dramatic recorded entertainment.

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Paul Mayer
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[Big Grin]

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Randy Stankey
Then, why do people go to restaurants and pay top dollar for food that they can eat at home? People just want to eat but they still go out for food.
There's a difference in skill/work required between watching a movie online and cooking food. It's not a fair comparison.

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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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quote: Randy Stankey
Then, why do people go to restaurants and pay top dollar for food that they can eat at home? People just want to eat but they still go out for food.
Special occasion
Branding (huge importance)
Can't make it at home (I know Ruth Chris makes their steaks at 1800 degree broiled on a 500 degree plate) I know I cannot replicated that currently.
Want to go out

I think it is more complicated than just wanting to go out. I just think the movie is the most important thing first.

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Randy Stankey
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Terry, my family ran a steak restaurant. I grew up eating steak virtually every day of my life since I can remember until I went away to college. In fact, even after all these years, I went out to dinner, this evening and had steak.

There is nothing, absolutely NOTHING, that Ruth's Chris does that you can't do at home except provide a good atmosphere with attentive staff and excellent chefs. That "1,800 degree" stuff is bullshit, pure marketing bullshit.

I have eaten at Ruth's Chris and it was a top notch dining experience. The food was delivered hot and well-cooked. The waiter stood at his station, two tables away, and any time I needed something, I didn't even have to call his name. He was right there in two seconds. The guy even laughed at my stupid jokes.

I paid top dollar for that meal which I could have bought from the butcher's counter at the supermarket and I could have cooked it myself for less than one tenth of the price, yet I WILLFULLY got dressed up and hauled my butt to that restaurant because I wanted to have a nice time at a nice restaurant where people pay attention to ME and what I want.

Yes, I can download "The Interview" virtually for free and I can watch it on the TV in my home. I won't have to get dressed. I won't have to drive anywhere. I won't have to do anything.

All of us here at Film-Tech, know how to put on a great movie presentation at home. We don't need to go to the theater but we still WANT to.

Because what we REALLY want is for other people to pay attention to US and take care of OUR needs if only just for two hours out of a day.

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