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Frank Cox
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Even before the 9/11 stuff, I'm sure that terrorism and riots were excluded from my insurance coverage. I don't think insurance coverage for that sort of thing is available around here at any price, though I've never actually asked about getting it.

Due to the anonymous nature of this whole malicious hacking thing, anyone could claim to be a representative of the supposed group and make any demands that he chose to make. By and large, the recipient of the demand is unable to distinguish between a "legitimate" terrorist and a kid with nothing but a big mouth and a computer keyboard.

It's now off-limits to make a movie about North Korea:

North Korea-Based Thriller With Gore Verbinski And Steve Carell Canceled

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EXCLUSIVE: The chilling effect of the Sony Pictures hack and terrorist threats against The Interview are reverberating. New Regency has scrapped another project that was to be set in North Korea. The untitled thriller, set up in October, was being developed by director Gore Verbinski as a star vehicle for Foxcatcher star Steve Carell. The paranoid thriller written by Steve Conrad was going to start production in March. Insiders tell me that under the current circumstances, it just makes no sense to move forward. The location won’t be transplanted. Fox declined to distribute it, per a spokesman.

Regency has other movies with Verbinski as part of a multiyear, multipicture deal, and they will focus on them. He moves on to A Cure For Wellness, an elevated horror film written by Revolutionary Road scribe Justin Haythe, and Passengers. There also is a large-scale action comedy scripted by Conrad. The plan was to make three films in quick succession. Now they will make two that way.


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Frank Angel
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Yup. That fat little turd has won. He now gets to dictate what we can and can't do over here. Gee, Kim, what else do you want us to do? Maybe Regal and AMC and Cinemark should put a picture of your face in at least one A-Frame in every theatre...how's that? Would that make you happy? We just want to get along. And maybe every Sony picture can open up with your picture which could then crossfade to the Sony or Columbia logo. How'd that be, you sweet little porker?

Boy, ISIS must be laughing their Isis asses off. They are figuring, hey, just send the American corporate executives an ill-worded threat that sounds like it was written by someone with a 5th grade education saying we will be VERY SORRY if we continue to send our American girls to school. Uh-oh...better keep our girls home. Just to be safe, maybe we should make all our women wear burkas too....I mean, what's the harm in being safe, right?

I swear, this is just too ironic for words; our most cherished and FUNDAMENTAL right and foundation of our way of life, or at least I THOUGHT it was -- Freedom of Speech -- and these spinless idiots just caved and gave it away with the blink of an eye.

Un-fu*ckin-believable.

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Brad Miller
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Paramount Cancels ‘Team America’ Showings, Theaters Say

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Forget those plans by Alamo Drafthouse Cinema and other theaters to run Team America: World Police in place of The Interview. The Austin-based chain says that Paramount has now decided not to offer South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone’s 2004 satire that focuses on Kim Jong-il, the late father of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un. Alamo says that the cancellation at its Dallas theater is “due to circumstances beyond our control” and says it will offer refunds to those who have already bought tickets. Cleveland’s Capitol Theater also tweeted that Team America “has been canceled by Paramount Pictures.”

Yesterday Sony pulled The Interview, which depicts an assassination of Kim Jong-un, after hackers threatened theaters that showed the film. Working with Sony since the first days of the massive hack in late November, the FBI has established some degree of connection between North Korea and the data breach. Having said that, while the White House today said the investigation is progressing, the Bureau and the Justice Department has not scheduled an announcement yet on the Democratic People’s Republic’s connection to the hacking of Sony, sources tell Deadline.


I don't think anyone will disagree here...this is taking it WAY too far.

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John Roddy
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I think it's safe to say that we're within days of nobody caring about the stupid movie anymore. This is going to turn into a full-scale political nightmare that is probably going to end up at least borderlining some kind of war. At this point, I can't tell how many of these decisions are Sony's or Paramount's, and how many were mandated by the White House. They did just announce that they're taking this very seriously.

On the smaller hand (wait, what?), the future looks awfully dark for Sony. Their last hack attack was arguably the worst of the bunch that have recently happened. This one completely dwarfs it. I have to wonder if Sony stands any real chance of recovering from this.

Now then, how much longer until this whole topic degrades into political blabber?

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Martin McCaffery
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Home of the Brave!

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: News Article Lorem Ipsum
Forget those plans by Alamo Drafthouse Cinema and other theaters to run Team America: World Police in place of The Interview. The Austin-based chain says that Paramount has now decided not to offer South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone’s 2004 satire that focuses on Kim Jong-il, the late father of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.
Shh. Be very quiet. Team America: World Police, the "unrated" version with full-on marionette wet and messy watersports is still available to stream on Netflix.

Considering how the movie industry is caving in to fear and political correctness I wonder how long before the clear servers and store shelves of any movies that are deemed offensive to the North Korean government.

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Jesse Skeen
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quote: Bobby Henderson
The worst threat the movie theaters really faced from this was getting their d-cinema networks infiltrated. Honestly, if that could happen it's going to happen regardless of what movie is playing.
Just another reason to stick with 35mm [Wink] Were any 35mm prints made of "The Interview"?

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Steve Matz
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kills his own Relatives;so no worries about Movie Goer's [Confused] [Roll Eyes]

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Brad Miller
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quote: Bobby Henderson
The worst threat the movie theaters really faced from this was getting their d-cinema networks infiltrated.
Its actually a very real possibility.

Sony has VPN access to ALL of the locations where their equipment is in operation (Regal, AMC, etc) so it would be foolish to assume that the hackers don't already have access direct into any building with Sony projectors.

And of course it only takes a small oops in a theater firewall for them to then gain access to the ticketing network and customer's credit card numbers that were used to purchase tickets, etc. Remember most theaters have their POS systems directly tied into their TMS to import schedules. There's your link! (Not all links like that would be vulnerable. It just depends on how good the theater's IT guy really is and if the hackers are better.)

It's also entirely possible that the hackers could (or could have already) put in a "time bomb" on the equipment to "self-destruct" all at once across the country, completely neutralizing ANY movie from being played (at Sony equipment locations).

Now before anyone calls bullshit on those statements, remember that Sony has all of their equipment's root passwords well documented in their files. Also remember all of the remote logins to each and every theater is also documented in the Sony files. Judging by how many files the hackers obviously have, OF COURSE the hackers have full access into the projection equipment located in any theater sporting Sony projectors.

The Sony NOC doesn't just have a master firewall with hardware VPNs either. They use individual VPN logins to each location. Every theater would need to change their credentials and any theater that hasn't done that yet is potentially asking for it (assuming it isn't too late already).

The problem is, anyone with Sony projectors is most probably on a Sony VPN and Sony wants access to their equipment for VPF logging purposes. The only REASONABLE thing Sony can do in light of all this is to let the theaters alter their logins but NOT tell them the credentials yet (unless they have a failure and need them to remote in). In a month or whenever this has all calmed down, then they can give them the credentials.

Unfortunately the hackers have had plenty of time to setup a backdoor into all of the Sony TMS systems, so technically the internet would need to be disconnected at Sony sites (or the Sony TMS powered off) to ensure the hackers were locked out.

To make matters worse, an "oops" at one of the NOCs could further give them access to non-Sony locations as well. It just depends on how far the hackers want to take it, but finding security holes isn't all that difficult for a good hacker (which we must assume these guys are pretty good). The more theaters on a NOC, the better chance of an oops. In this specific scenario it's safe to say the Strong and Christie NOCs would be the easiest and first to hit since Strong is tied in with the Sony guys and Christie monitors Regal and AMC. That's an awful lot of possibilities for a simple oversight to have happened somewhere along the line in programming the firewall.

In a nutshell at any given moment the hackers could quite easily knock out the majority of US theater's projection systems with little effort. Happy Holidays indeed.

If I was Sony I would've already taken the ONE step they have against these guys, and that is to threaten them back. Before you start shaking your head as you read that, SUPPOSEDLY these guys don't want the movie The Interview to be seen. So on that assumption that means selling it to Netflix is a bad idea, as that would just bring about further wrath. Posting it for free on youtube for the world, again bad idea because that is exactly what they don't want to happen. The only way to STOP them from going further is to GUARANTEE them that the world will see the movie IF even one more batch of files is released or if any further attack happens in any form.

So immediately ship out a hard drive of The Interview to every single theater in America. It doesn't matter if they were allocated to play it or not, ship it! Tell the theaters to hold onto the drive, not to return it. Then wait. If another attack of some sort happens, let EVERY theater in the country play it FOR FREE for one day, then let the theater collect 100% of the box office take starting with day 2 for as long as they want to play it. Meanwhile post it on youtube and every other possible way to get it on the internet. Throw it as a free PPV on cable, etc, etc, etc. Heck, release the darn thing on network tv too! It's the only card they have to play.

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Joe Redifer
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So... why are they still advertising this movie on TV?

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Bobby Henderson
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I like the idea of threatening the hackers with releasing The Interview "into the wild" so to speak. It probably should happen anyway. But it won't since Hollywood is red-lighting any movie involving North Korea as subject matter and cancelling Team America: World Police screenings.

One thing I hope comes from this: very high exposure on the issue of computer foolishness on the part of many grown adults, more than a few of whom are in executive positions of power in many companies.

A credible theory in how Sony got hacked: shockingly stupid practices on the part of some of Sony's personnel. The passwords on many of their e-mail accounts and other logins were very easy to crack. Of the ones that weren't so easy: some people would just tell each other the passwords in plain text within e-mails!

It's probably scary to think just how many people out there simply can't be bothered with following good standards of practice in computing security. It's not all that hard. But some of it does require the computer user to be fairly adept at basic computing fundamentals -like knowing how to navigate the files and folders on his computer's hard disc. It's amazing how few people honestly know how to do that. It doesn't matter if it's Windows File Explorer on a PC or the Finder on a Mac. Not all that many people honestly know how to use those tools. Folders? What the hell are those things? I just save everything to the desktop or in My Documents! Then they have to know how to install software. Even fewer are competent and confident at doing that. I have to pressure some of my own coworkers on keeping various applications up to date. It is a very common tendency for computer users to deliberately ignore update notices. It's one thing to be careful about installing something like a new patch for Windows, but it's another thing to ignore the issue altogether out of laziness.

End user laziness is probably at the core of just how Sony got hacked. It may have little to do with unqualified IT guys or engineering flaws in computer hardware or software.

quote: Joe Redifer
So... why are they still advertising this movie on TV?
TV stations making good on all those media buys? It was probably all programmed into the servers months ago anyway. I wonder why that stuff wasn't hacked.

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David Stambaugh
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Have not read the entire thread... But...

Sony was probably strongly encouraged by "authorities" to pull the release. And the major chains had already bailed. From a liability standpoint, what else could Sony or exhibitors do? Some whack job looking to get into the news would have caused an "incident" at a theater showing this and there you go.

Nobody wants to touch this movie right now. Itunes? Netflix? Amazon? Hulu? "Uh appreciate the offer but we'd rather not be targeted by the same hackers,. Thanks for asking though!".

All the butt-hurt "talent" reaming out Sony over their creative expression being suppressed are idiots.

And which Sony numb-nuts exec green-lighted a "comedy" about assassinating the actual leader of an actual country run by possibly-nuclear-armed lunatics? Would they have green-lighted a comedy about assassinating BHO?

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Bobby Henderson
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The "talent" might be idiots for how they're dressing down Sony. But make no mistake, with the movie industry capitulating, giving the hackers or terrorists or vandals (or whatever anyone wants to call them) their way, it's only going to encourage a whole hell of a lot more of these kinds of hacks and threats.

It might turn the act of buying a movie ticket at Fandango or wherever into an adventure. You'll have a ticket, but won't know if the show has been cancelled by hackers until you get there.

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Bobby Henderson
It was probably all programmed into the servers months ago anyway.
Political ads can be pulled at a moment's notice and they often are. Why can't Sony do the same?

quote: David Stambaugh
Nobody wants to touch this movie right now. Itunes? Netflix? Amazon? Hulu? "Uh appreciate the offer but we'd rather not be targeted by the same hackers,. Thanks for asking though!".
That's the problem. Living in fear. Now they'll always be afraid of getting targeted. So much so that it'll affect the way we live and work. The terrorists have won. I really hate living in a nation of pussies (and litigious ones, at that).

quote: David Stambaugh
And which Sony numb-nuts exec green-lighted a "comedy" about assassinating the actual leader of an actual country run by possibly-nuclear-armed lunatics?
Why shouldn't they? Obviously they thought the movie had potential. Sure, it probably sucks. But I'd rather make the choice to not see it rather than be told I CANNOT see it. Freedom of expression should not be infringed. Sounds like you're afraid of poking a bully who talks too much. Sounds like you're afraid, period. This is the problem with this country. Too many people afraid of everything. Do you wanna have other outdated countries dictating what we can and cannot create?

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Joe Redifer
Political ads can be pulled at a moment's notice and they often are. Why can't Sony do the same?
I think the problem is with the TV networks and individual TV stations airing the ads. Sony may want all ads pulled immediately, but some outfits aren't as fast as others when it comes to complying with those orders.

There's a good chance some stations are playing out as many of the ad buys as possible before removing the commercials from the servers. Less money to refund to Sony. Considering this is the holiday season, perhaps some TV stations have "traffic" people who have already gone on Christmas vacation. Of course that could be a stretch since I remember having to work on Christmas day at a TV station. I don't remember seeing the lady in charge of traffic working that day though. Hmm.

One thing is certain, local TV stations are moving in slow motion when it comes to covering this story. Our local ABC affiliate aired a news story at 5:00pm earlier today saying Alamo Drafthouse was going to play Team America: World Police in replacement of The Interview. The problem is the station didn't get word that Paramount cancelled those bookings earlier. It made me wonder if the TV station was regurgitating its news from the daily newspaper (printing yesterday's news today on dead trees).

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