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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 12-17-2014 05:40 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Michael Bay movies offend me. Take heed, studios and theaters or I will H4CK U.

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Bobby Henderson
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 - posted 12-17-2014 05:46 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Obviously Sony is going to bear a great deal of consequences from this outcome.

There's all the money spent on the production, marketing and distribution for The Interview. That's all gone unless Sony can release the movie at a later date in theaters or try to release it on home video and VOD.

Sony could end up losing more in civil judgments from people whose personal data was compromised and exposed in the hack. They're also going to have to completely overhaul their computing systems and policies in how data is handled.

I'm hoping the blow-back from this spreads to major computer vendors. It's all but guaranteed companies like Microsoft, Sun, Oracle, etc. are at least partially responsible for this hack based on all the damned security holes present in their software and hardware.

The blow-back also needs to extend to our government and criminal justice system. I'm still not convinced they take any of this hacking crap seriously. Even if a hacker is caught he may not actually do any prison time.

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Jim Cassedy
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 - posted 12-17-2014 05:56 PM      Profile for Jim Cassedy   Email Jim Cassedy   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I can't believe that we've turned into such a bunch of weenies that
we would actually let a dictator dictate commerce in this country.

C'mon - - The DPNK can barely pull of a successful missle launch.

A little bit of 'free speech' in America died today with the decision
to pull this movie. On the other hand, it's nice to know capitalism
is alive and well, as "The Interview" posters are already being listed
on E-Bay for outrageous prices now that they're considered 'collectable'.

(From what I hear about the movie, Sony might make more money selling
off the posters than they would have made on ticket revenue anyway)

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Pravin Ratnam
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 - posted 12-17-2014 06:14 PM      Profile for Pravin Ratnam   Email Pravin Ratnam   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I am embarrassed by what a bunch of cowards we have become as a country.The terrorists have won.

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 12-17-2014 06:27 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yep.

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Pravin Ratnam
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 - posted 12-17-2014 06:31 PM      Profile for Pravin Ratnam   Email Pravin Ratnam   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I am sorry to say this on a site frequented by theater personnel. But if the rationale is not to lose scared customers, then I have no choice but to reduce the number of movies I go to the theater as a counter protest, especially this month. And I will call Regal to let them know that. Not that they care. But who knows.

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Marcel Birgelen
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 - posted 12-17-2014 07:44 PM      Profile for Marcel Birgelen   Email Marcel Birgelen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Great, now yet another bunch of idiots control what we will and will not see at the local theater?

Maybe those "hackers" will still "release" the movie for them as a "Christmas gift" [Wink] .

If they would, it would make Sony and all those chains who bailed out on it even more stupid.

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Mike Blakesley
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 - posted 12-17-2014 07:58 PM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well any terrorist worth his salt would still carry out his "plan" even if the movie has been pulled.

quote: Pravin Ratnam
I will call Regal to let them know that. Not that they care.
Why beat up on Regal? They didn't pull the movie, Sony did. Just reduce the number of Sony movies you attend. (Keep in mind, they have the new Bond movie coming up, or are you going to end your protest by then?)

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Buck Wilson
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 - posted 12-17-2014 08:57 PM      Profile for Buck Wilson   Email Buck Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Regal pulled before Sony did. One could argue Sony may not have pulled it had one of the big 3 not pulled out.

Sounds like they aren't releasing it at ALL now:

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/sony-has-no-further-release-plans-for-the-interview-1201382167/

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Dave McNary
Film Reporter
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Sony Pictures Entertainment has chosen to stand down for “The Interview,” deciding against releasing the Seth Rogen-James Franco comedy in any form — including VOD or DVD, as U.S. officials reportedly link Sony’s massive cyber attack to North Korea.

“Sony Pictures has no further release plans for the film,” a spokesman said Wednesday.

The studio issued the statement a few hours after pulling the planned Christmas Day release of “The Interview” in the U.S. in response to the hackers who threatened a 9/11-style attack against U.S. theaters and moviegoers if the comedy were released.

By late Wednesday afternoon, the studio had removed any mention of “The Interview” from its official web site.

The move could open the door for Sony to sell the rights to a rival distributor — though Hollywood is still reeling from Tuesday’s invocation of a possible terrorist attack on exhibitors if they screened “The Interview.”

Prior to the decision to pull the controversial movie, a Sony Pictures insider had told Variety that the studio was weighing releasing the film on premium video-on-demand. Such a move would have allowed the studio to recoup some of the film’s $42 million budget and tens of millions in promotion and advertising expenditures.

Sony’s nightmare began on Nov. 24 when the “Guardians of Peace” hackers disabled the studio’s computer system and began disclosing internal documents, email messages, film budgets, executive salaries and the social security numbers of thousands of employees.

“The world will be full of fear,” the group’s Tuesday message said. “Remember the 11th of September 2001. We recommend you to keep yourself distant from the places at that time. (If your house is nearby, you’d better leave.)”

In response, most of the country’s largest theater chains — including AMC, Regal, Cinemark, Carmike and Southern Theatres — announced they would either delay showing the picture or would drop it altogether.

“The Interview” centers on an assassination attempt on North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un.

On Wednesday, several published reports said that federal authorities had determined that hackers working on behalf of the North Korean government were behind the hack attack. CNN’s Evan Perez said that an announcement is expected on Thursday that would “assign attribution” to the country.

“The Interview” has been scheduled for release in foreign markets starting in late January.

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Michael Riley
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One thing to keep in mind is that while it's easy to claim freedom of speech and censorship and ridicule the idea of North Korea having the ability to attack the United States, and the end of the day all the strings at Sony are being pulled by people in Japan, who already have a rocky relationship with DPRK.

While it's essentially impossible for NK to attack us based on our current understanding of their military power, some sort of attack in Japan would not be completely out of the realm of possibility. It's likely that it's not even the American execs making the decisions at this point, and in fact I would expect to see a lot of them resign in short order after this whole debacle.

As for the movie itself, it wouldn't shock me if a screener somehow "leaked" onto the internet within the next week or so, and it will probably be quietly released on DVD at some point in the future just to try and recoup some costs.

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Frank Cox
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Carsten Kurz
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The really bad thing is - you don't need the real people behind the hack or this threat to act - just let the ordinary bag of retard free riders get out of their holes to fuck up a show like it happened before.

They just need a trigger event like this.

- Carsten

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Frank Angel
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 - posted 12-18-2014 07:30 AM      Profile for Frank Angel   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Angel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Marcel is right. Sony should just give the damn movie away and spit in the face of the pig NK government & their chubby, pinky-sized dick-tator.

The mistake over here, aside from the fact that all of a sudden it is becoming quite apparent that we have an epidemic which is affecting those big, cigar-chewing, corporate executives who we thought were so tuff -- seems the majority of then suffer from cryptorchidism, i.e., either their testicles haven't descended or are MISSING.

Have we all become just a bunch of wusses, talking about the imagined "threat" to theatres -- and that's all it is...imagined -- because there has been all our agencies say there is no credible threat of violence or what we conjure up when the words "terrorist threat" are bandied about. If anything, there might be an extremely slim chance that the hackers may still try to hack a exhibitor chain's servers, but there is no threat of violence.

It is a mistake to give the public the impression that somehow there may be terrorist attacks on theatres if the movie is shown. In the public's mind the word terrorist means geehad-bent suicide bombers and madmen who hack off people's heads. North Korea has no cadre of obsessed, lunatic Al-Qeada equivalents or fanatics who would carry out that kind of violence. They don't have terrorist "cells" hiding here just waiting for the signal to blow themselves up or fly planes into Regal EWalk in Times Square. And that's what is conjured up in the public's mind when the media throws the words "terror attack" around.

We are caving into suggestion rather than fact. They knew what they were doing using 9/11 as a fear button. Fact is, in a country where the people are underfed and endure a ghetto standard of living, there aren't a lot of North Koreans willing to strap bombs to themselves to stop a movie for the motherland.

Hells, give me the effin movie and I'll run it. Or leak it to the internet and have it play in every country around the world....THEN what are they going to do?

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Martin McCaffery
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I wonder if all of these big chains signed the Terrorism Waiver on their insurance. In case you don't have to deal with that end of the business, when you get liability and property insurance these days you have to be offered a Terrorism rider. It's a stupid by-product of 9/11 and I'm guessing everyone opts out. I know we do. I think it is quite possible their lawyers are telling them they are not covered if anything happens.

On the other hand, as someone who has received death threats in bomb threats in the good old pre-9/11 days (The Last Temptation of Christ), I say screw them, show the damn movie. And screw Sony for pulling it. During Last Temptation there were lots of chains who publicly refused to show it (cough CARMIKE cough), but there were also plenty of indies who said F*ck Yeah, we're not afraid. Some theatres even got vandalized, but went ahead anyway.

But I guess in the last 28 years, there aren't enough indies to support a 3000 screen release, and the bean counters at the studios aren't in the business of taking a stand on whatever principles they have that don't produce a profit.

Nonetheless, Exhibitors: Never, NEVER give in to threats. You are in the business of showing movies, not not showing them.

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Frank Angel
North Korea has no cadre of obsessed, lunatic Al-Qeada equivalents or fanatics who would carry out that kind of violence.
Well, at least they don't have very many outside of their own borders. North Korea's regime does execute thousands of its own people every year. They'll put someone in front of a firing squad just over the mere suspicion the person could be involved in any political wrong-doing against the state.

Still, North Korea doesn't have the kind of cause that will get people strapping on suicide bomb vests, driving truck bombs or seeking to murder anyone drawing a satirical cartoon of a certain religious leader. The worst threat the movie theaters really faced from this was getting their d-cinema networks infiltrated. Honestly, if that could happen it's going to happen regardless of what movie is playing.

I think the North Korean government hired the people responsible for the Sony hack and that those people are operating outside of North Korea -where they have much easier access to advanced technology and a more open Internet. The hackers probably were doing their work in South Korea, Japan or even here in the United States. It's a good bet someone inside at Sony helped in this.

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