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Marcel Birgelen
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 - posted 12-23-2014 07:24 PM      Profile for Marcel Birgelen   Email Marcel Birgelen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Harold Hallikainen
I THINK I read that the "Guardians of Peace" said Sony could release the movie if the assassination scene was removed. Is that the case? Was it?
You remember where you read this? There's so much misinformation out there, it's hard to determine fact from fiction...

According to "Anonymous", "we" will get the movie on Christmas anyway. Either by Sony or by them...

Really, Sony should just give the movie away for free. Use the marketing power left in it to bolster up your image, it's not like you're going to make any money of it if you're not going to give it a proper release...

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Harold Hallikainen
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 - posted 12-23-2014 08:18 PM      Profile for Harold Hallikainen   Author's Homepage   Email Harold Hallikainen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It apparently has been posted a few places. One place is at http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/12/hackers-tell-sony-the-interview-may-release-now-with-edits/ where they say it difficult to determine authenticity.

Harold

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Paul Mayer
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 - posted 12-23-2014 09:18 PM      Profile for Paul Mayer   Author's Homepage   Email Paul Mayer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm hearing 200 screens going with it for Christmas.

The Egyptian in Hollywood is getting it, along with quite a few other screens in SoCal.

Here in NM, the Jean Cocteau Cinema in Santa Fe is getting it. And I thought my local art house The Guild Cinema was getting it, but now I can't find any mention...

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Mike Blakesley
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 - posted 12-23-2014 09:46 PM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Harold Hallikainen
One place is at http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/12/hackers-tell-sony-the-interview-may-release-now-with-edits/ where they say it difficult to determine authenticity.
Ehhh, the quoted "message from the hackers" in that story is so obviously phony even a junior FBI trainee could detect it. But I really doubt that even Sony, as stupidly as they've handled this, would take orders on how to edit a movie from some unidentified parties. Plus, removing the Kim death scene would remove the whole point of the movie apparently, so why would they ever agree to do that? (Although I guess studios have done dumber things.)

I guess we'll know in 2 days. The bigger interesting thing is how pissed off the chains are getting over this whole mess, what with being thrown under the bus and all.

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Sean Weitzel
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 - posted 12-23-2014 10:28 PM      Profile for Sean Weitzel   Email Sean Weitzel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
A much more comprehensive list is linked in a Variety article:
http://variety.com/2014/film/news/where-to-watch-the-interview-on-christmas-day-1201386553/

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Mike Frese
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 - posted 12-24-2014 09:43 AM      Profile for Mike Frese   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Frese   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think it is quite entertaining seeing all of the liberals crying "patriotic free speech" as reasons to play this movie which would not be a movie they normally would play after for years making fun of the right wing patriots for crying patriotism after 9/11.

As far as the owner of the Plaza Theater, I recall seeing many were critical of him when he played Star Wars recently. Many think he is an ass.

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Jarod Reddig
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I agree Mike. What a giant load of bullshit. The same people that are crying about Sony not releasing this would do two things.
1. Never see this piece of crap of a movie anyway.
2. Be on there hands and knees doing whatever the hackers said if there family was threatened the same way that Sony was threatened.

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Frank Cox
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 - posted 12-24-2014 01:12 PM      Profile for Frank Cox   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Cox   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It will be available for online rental later today from Youtube and whatnot.

If I was one of the folks who was planning to play this thing starting tomorrow, I would be unhappy right now.

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Lyle Romer
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 - posted 12-24-2014 01:37 PM      Profile for Lyle Romer   Email Lyle Romer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"This is how it ends, not with a bang but with a whimper..."

Make no mistake that this is the beginning of the end of movie theatres and movies as we know them. It won't be instant but this will be the example used for day and date release with VOD. The studio executives will completely ignore the fact that the only reason that people will pay to stream this is a morbid curiosity. Plus, they are only charging $6, not the $30+ that they envision for "Premium VOD."

None of that will matter. Eventually, some studio will point to this release as the example of how the day and date release worked. Within a few years of that, 90% of theatres will close. Following that, movies will be nothing more than 2 hour TV shows. Budgets will drop and that will be it.......

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Mike Blakesley
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 - posted 12-24-2014 03:01 PM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think you are being a little too Chicken Littleish about this. This situation is unusual in a myriad of ways.

1. This movie already had a huge amount of advertising and was well known even before the hack.

2. Since the hack it's gotten hundreds of millions of free 'impressions' in every worldwide media outlet known to mankind, unlike any movie before it.

3. When Sony pulled it from release, it became the "forbidden fruit" that now suddenly EVERYBODY was interested in, even those who didn't care at all before.

4. Now that they are "really" releasing it, and at a stupid bargain (on VOD, on YouTube) price at that, OF COURSE a lot of people will stream it...due to the even more massive publicity that THAT will generate.

There is almost no hope whatever of EVER re-creating this particular scenario again, considering studios are now shying away from making this kind of "controversial" content.

The screwup now is with the indie and arthouse theaters, who should have said to Sony, "HOLD ON THERE, pardner -- if you're going VOD, we are OUT."

One thing about this situation, it sure has exposed a lot of spineless wimps for what they really are.

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Mark Ogden
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Interesting patchwork of bookings. The New York City screens, the Quad and the Cinema Village, are literally a five minute walk from each other. I guess no area exclusivity for this. Whoever wants, gets.

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Pravin Ratnam
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 - posted 12-24-2014 05:03 PM      Profile for Pravin Ratnam   Email Pravin Ratnam   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mike frees and Jarrod Reddig, your anti liberal rant made no sense (not to mention out of place on this forum). You dont' seem familiar with the fan base of This is the End and Pineapple Express. Last I checked, liberals were part of that fan base too. A lot of liberals that I know wanted to watch this movie well before the controversy, just by watching the TV ads. Maybe you should know who your audience is if you want to be a successful part of the film exhibition biz. Inglorious Bastards with a not so dissimilar theme had fans of different ideologies enjoy it.

As far as the VOD, amazed it is so cheap at 5.99 when they could have easily gotten 9.99 at least. It is not comparable to a rental three months later where I actually feel 5.99 on your cable on demand is overpriced. I am not going to bother going to the Plaza and wonder about its projection quality and be hostage to the lack of theater options in my area and will watch this on my big screen plasma at home for a cheaper price and not wondering if I could get the very few walk-in tickets available(all advance tickets sold out since there are only two screens). The big theater chains probably unintentionally opened the door for a high profile preview of this kind of VOD release(not realistic pricing for a mainstream movie, but could be used as a model for movies that might end up going direct to cable). Which is why I am confused why SONY didn't try to kill two birds with one stone by trying to price this more realistically at 14.99 or 9.99 as a test case and see how the rentals do in the cities that are showing this movie compared to the rest of the country.

But I have to agree with Mike B. SONY did eff the indie theaters that stepped forward by releasing this online a day before the theaters. THey could have waited at least two weeks for the VOD. Or priced it higher.

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Joe Elliott
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 - posted 12-24-2014 08:22 PM      Profile for Joe Elliott   Email Joe Elliott   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't think they screwed the independents. They and the FBI probably set up the streaming and YouTube deal to get the hackers to DDOS the streams. Maybe to catch them, maybe just to throw them off of harassing the theaters. When no one can download it, they will just shake their fists, blame the hackers, and recommend everyone go to the theater, where the hackers can't stop it.

I personally think that North Korea was NOT involved in the attack. Many security experts agree. Do a search for it, you come up with many articles and many different experts speaking up that they don't believe NK was involved. Example below.

I listened to a podcast today that had two experts from Mcaffee, who both agreed that there is zero evidence that points to NK.

I think it is all political bullshit. Obama was meeting with Cuba, and then was to meet with North Korea in an attempt to improve relations. His political opponents saw blaming North Korea as a way to derail Obama's plans (maybe I've just been watching House of Cards too much). Or maybe they even hired those who did the attack. Hacking Sony would not be a matter of national security, so I could see a politician rationalizing that as being OK to further their political agenda. Although like the article below states, The Interview wasn't mentioned by the hackers until the press started speculating about it, so that kind of eliminates politicians hiring someone, but it does not eliminate them as using it for their agenda, by blaming NK.

One of many sony hack articles blasting the goverment story, this one is from Gigaom.

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Buck Wilson
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I would readily believe that its some sort of governmental ploy.

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 12-24-2014 09:58 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
So wasn't it Sony that was caught with movie critics on their payroll to give their movies 5 star reviews?

This stinks of the same thing:

Just pay for “The Interview,” even if you don’t watch it

quote:

Michelle Quinn

I had been wavering about seeing “The Interview.” The reviews have been mixed, but mostly negative. I don’t have a lot of expendable time, so I like sure bets in my entertainment.

But now that Sony has decided to make the film available both online and in theaters, I’ll pay and watch it.

And I think most people should cough up the $5.99 to rent it even if they never see it.

Sony’s decision to pull the movie last week in response to continued threats from hackers was depressing. I understood the public safety argument of theater owners.

But as many argued, it was a very bad precedent, “The Satanic Verses” all over again. But that was 1988. How could content be held as a virtual hostage in the digital age?

Fortunately, tech companies like Google and Microsoft have stepped up.

Microsoft’s Brad Smith said in a blog post that the company’s decision to make the film available on Xbox Video is because “we are supporting the Constitutional right of free expression, and we hope that by acting together, we will help deter other attacks.”

Given the greater cause, so what about the film’s quality?

It is a historic moment, as I wrote earlier. Tech helping out Hollywood. The White House stepping in on Sony’s behalf to talk to Apple about making it available on iTunes (Apple reportedly declined).

So buy it but don’t sit through it if this description by Betsy Sharkey of the Los Angeles Times sounds unappealing: “a sloppy farce with the look of a low-budget affair, perhaps to match its lowbrow idea.”

But Jake Coyle of the Associated Press praised the film because it “pulses with an unpredictable absurdity and can-you-believe-we’re-doing-this glee.”

That reminds me of Adam Johnson’s “Orphan Master’s Son,” by Stanford University’s Adam Johnson, also about North Korea. Some critics pooh poohed the book for its absurdity, much like “The Interview.” But it won the 2013 Pulitzer for fiction.

Now that I can stream it on YouTube or Xbox, rather than go to a theater, it’s an easy decision. I’ll give it a go.


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