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Dennis Atkinson
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 - posted 09-12-2001 06:57 PM      Profile for Dennis Atkinson   Author's Homepage   Email Dennis Atkinson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I read Charles's post as more of a reason, not an excuse.
I could be wrong,
"I've been too busy getting brainwashed by all the right-wing bullies and pro-war propaganda on TV."

That's the first laugh I have had in two days, someone accusing Hollywood of being right-wing.

Just like WWII, the worlds problems wasn't our (USA) problem, because it didn't happen here. The kamakazi tactics are from the same war.

Charles, didn't that lefty Carter ban the production of the neutron bomb?

I have more trust in this President to take names and kick ass than the last two. I hope the peace lovers will be shouted down for once and the press will back the President.

Dennis

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Andy Muirhead
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I'm glad to hear, Bob, that you and your family are ok, and also John, and i hope any other Film-Techers based in NY are also safe.

Here in the UK we have been shocked numb by the events in the US, and our thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their family's, and especially the emergency services, many of whom died trying to save others. Those poor passengers in the jets had no choice, the workers in the WTC building had no choice, those fire crew and police knew what they were getting into, and the risks involved and many of them paid with their life, trying to save others lifes.

They died Heroe's


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Glenda Cockrum
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Bob, so glad to hear you and yours are safe. I still keep all of the production co reps I deal with every week in my thoughts and prayers. Charles , just remember this, I book my own films. I call Daisy @ Universal and Eric@ Paramount;Emogene@ Warner Bros and Chris @ BV; and although I don't deal with him directly anymore, Don Cohen at Sony is one of my favorite people. I was afraid for their safety and their families. I still do not know how these people are doing and I am keeping them in my prayers.
I also have two nephews that are Marines, they both called my parents yesterday to say they would be out of contact for a while, and that they loved us.... so Charles , you tell me, where is the line drawn? Many years ago the US was critized for not entering the War earlier, maybe Hitler could have been stopped sooner... so you tell me which is the way to go? Have we made mistakes , yes. Does that make yesterday alright, Hell No!
Pray for all of our children, that this fear will pass and that we can find a way to explain and comfort them through these next horrible days.

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Bob Maar
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Thanks so much for everyones well wishes.

I am back in New York tonight, I drove in this afternoon as was allowed to cross into Manhattan. I arrived home at 3PM. I went to the roof of my building and saw the smoke and dust rise above where the twin towers used to reside.

I went to the phone and listened to the messages:

Brendan Dooley 36 Missing (One of my Little League players in the 70's) Father and Mother were childhood friends. Worked on 92nd floor tower 1

Richard Gabriel Died in Plane crash going to San Francisco, Friend who I use to play softball with in a bar league 70's & 80's.

Sally wife of Niel Holstein, worked on 102nd Floor Tower 1. Niel was a member of my oldest son's wedding party 1990. Known him since 1975. Wife is missing.

Bill O'Boyle New York Fire Department missing as building collapsed tower one. Godfather of My Grandson Griffin.

There will be more I am sure, but please keep these and all human beings in your thoughts and prayers.

I am angry, and as I think most of you know I am a former Marine Corps "Grunt" as Paul would say.

I love America, I believe in our constitution, my family had members in the American Revolution, The War of 1812, The Civil War, World War I, World War II ( We missed Korea), Cuban Missle Crisis and Viet Nam.

I will not judge others...but please don't mis-judge me. Semper Fi and God Bless America.

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Bob Maar
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I received this in an e-mail tonight.  I wonder if it is true? Anyone have the book?


"In the City of God there will be a great thunder,Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb'' The  third  big war will begin when the big city is burning'- Nostradamus 1654 .....on  the  11 day of the 9 month that...two metal birds would crash into two tall  statues...in the new city..and the world will end soon after" __"From the  book of Nostradamus"

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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Charles:

All I can say concerning your remark is "GET A LIFE". That's more than a good friend of mine and also the daughter of another good friend have. Both were in the Trade Center yesterday, and have not been heard fron since. Their only political crime was that they were just going to work. This is not the time for political statements. I think prayer would be more appropriate.

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Chase Taylor
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I got this off the internet.

http://home.att.net/~thehessians/Nostradamus.html

Another interpretation of Nostradamus's predictions in light of the New York bombing - from author John Hogue:
"This is some of what I understand is in the prophecies of Nostradamus concerning present and near future events. He spoke of a new type of world war to come; one using surprise and ambush. A rogue leader from the Mideast will trigger it. He is a terrorist, code named in the prophecies as "Mabus" or the "Third Antichrist." This man will be one of the first to fall in his war. He could become a symbolic martyr for terrorists who will soak the world with blood for 27 years. Nostradamus spoke of the great new city made of high "hollow mountains" near the garden of the world. The state of New Jersey, from whose shore one can view the great hollow mountains of New York City, is known as “The Garden State.” In two of Nostradamus’ prophecies a thing his 16-century mind can only call “it” cuts a path to these hollow mountains. They are then seized and boiled in a cauldron...Over four centuries ago, Nostradamus may have seen those great hollow mountains hit by a huge, "scattered flame." He implied that the flame could not be put out and the smoke and debris would rise and ferment in boiling clouds, as if they were “plunged in a vat.” What is next for us? If my interpretations are correct we will soon know who the perpetrator — this Third Antichrist — is. If “Mabus” stands as an anagram for Saddam Hussein or Usama Bin Laden or someone we have yet to uncover, look for his death very soon in a retaliatory attack. If a more balanced American foreign policy in Mideast affairs is not forthcoming after the Antichrist falls, then the war is only beginning. America and her allies will endure almost thirty years of terror bombings and catastrophic loss of life... I would like to add that there are a number of spurious and bogus prophecies of Nostradamus surfacing concerning “York’s” destruction, etc. These frauds are mixing lines out of context from several authentic Nostradamus quatrains with phrases that are complete fabrications. Do not believe them. A bulletin on the REAL quatrains that might concern the New York and Pentagon attack will be forthcoming."


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Adam Martin
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I notice that Steve Guttag hasn't posted recently. I certainly hope that he and his family there in metro DC are well.

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Mike Heenan
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I read on one of the sites that the Nostradomus "prophecy" is false, the date quoted as 1654 is wrong, since he died in the mid 1500's. Now, I dont know this for sure, but it was on one of the news sites.

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Paul Turner
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Nice to see Bob's mug on the forum today.
I ran this on another forum, but it speaks to whether to be open or not:

Shortly after it all started, I received a call from the guy who owns the art cinema about 60 miles south of me. He wanted to know if I was going to be open the evening of the tragedy. Of course I was going to be open. Running a theater is what I do and what most of us do. As with pretty much everybody here, I can all tell stories of being sick with no replacement, and lying under the projector, trying not to pass out between change-overs. I’ve watched a parent die and ran the show the next day. I had to have my cell phone taken away from me in the ER so I wouldn’t call the theater and make sure the help got there. And so on . . . . All that pales in comparison to the least affected NYer. If they can look at a skyline missing it’s two front teeth, punched out in the most inhumane and deadly fashion, then I can turn on the neon open sign, pop some popcorn, and offer people a place to be for a couple hours without live coverage blasting from every corner. I can't be in there helping to remove rubble, but I can be part of life going on in my community. It's the best I can do.

Sorry for making this such a long post, but . . . .
This is a time when we must remember that most people are good people -- no matter what they wear on thier heads. They want to live, work, watch their kids grow up, laugh, and die naturally. They don't want to kill anybody. Many good people have died in NY, in a disater that is too big for me to get my mind around. Killing more good people who are no more terorists than you or I solves nothing. It never has. Governments that condone terrorism see their civilian populations as expendables -- killing them has no effect. These same populations have no control over what their government does. In many of these countries the population is kept starved to make them more compliant -- especially when the cameras are rolling. We are all angry. That doesn't mean that thousands more must die.

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Will Kutler
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Bob--

This is for you and your loved ones lost in this disaster--and everyone else who has been affected ~

A very popular Jewish/Israeli folk song "Next Year ~ Bashana Haba'ah"


Soon the day will arrive when we will be together,
And no longer will we live in fear.
And the children will smile without their wondering whether,
on that day dark new clouds will appear.

Wait and see, wait and see what a world it can be
If we care, if we share, you and me.

And the vines they will grow, the tender leavesw will blossom,
and the fruit of our hands will be sweet.
And the winds that bring change will clear away the ashes,
And a new world of peace we shall greet. Wait and see...

Next year we will sit on the porch and count migrating birds.
Children on vacation will play catch between the house and the fields.
You will yet see, how good it will be next year.
Red grapes will ripen till the evening, and will be served chilled to the table.
And languid winds will carry to the crossroads old newspapers and a cloud.
Next year we will spread out our hands towards the radiant light.
A white heron like a light will spread her wings and within them the sun will rise.

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Will Kutler
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I stated in a post in this thread yesterday that I would speak to 'yall about mid-east history and the Arab~Israeli conflict. To do that here would take up substantial space, so what I am doing is listing some of the "must read" books for those persons interested in this topic. Within these books are substantial bibliographies that list tons of excellent sources.

O-Jerusalem by Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre
1972 Simon and Schuster

Lightning Out Of Israel
1967 The Associated Press

Swift Sword
about the June 1967 Six Day War
Assoicated Press (?)

Terror Out Of Zion by J. Bowyer Bell
1977 St. Martins Press

By Blood and Fire ~ 22 July 1946: The Attack On Jerusalem's King David Hotel by Thurston Clarke
1981 G.P. Putnam Sons

Shield of David: The Story Of Israels Armed Forces by Yigal Allon
1970 Random House

The Revolt by Menachem Begin
1951 Henry Schuman

Heritage Civilization and the Jews by Abba Eban
1984 Summit Books

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Will Kutler
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My experience with foreigh airline security, ex New York Mayor Ed Koch's statement today and human intelligence.

I have had the experience of flying El-Al Israel Airlines nonstop from New York to Tel Aviv. I arrived in New York about 8hrs or so prior to my El-Al flight, and the El-Al terminal was closed. It was only after arguing with El-Al security and being subjected to a security check that they allowed me to rest my bones in their terminal, as I had no place to go. Preparations for boarding the plane started about 4hrs prior to departure. Several 4 X 8 card tables were lined up at which El-Al security interrogated each passenger as to their trip to Israel ~ why were you going, what business do you have, who do you know, do you have relatives, whats the duration of your stay, has a stranger asked you to carry on a bag or pass a message and on and on! Furthermore, all carry on bags were physically opened and searched. Besides this, all checked and transfered bags were opened and searched prior to being loaded into the cargo hold. Once on the plane, the majority of the flight attendants were male, and these were people who one would not dare mess with! There were also plain clothed security personnel on the flight. This flight was a fully loaded 747! And you wonder why El-Al is a secure airline!

One of the reasons that Israeli Intelligence has been successful and has pulled off exploits like the Eichmann kidnapping is because they relied on human intelligence! Many of the people who were instrumental in the early creation of Israeli Intelligence have written books--mostly about what went into the Eichmann kidnapping. But there are a great deal of other excellent books about Israeli Intelligence in print.

Ex N.Y. Mayor Ed Koch said today that we know what Arab countries support terrorism. He said that we should give them a max time period to coorporate or else we should launch a military actions. I agree with this, for one thing an Arab Muslim knows is words followed by actions. Arab Muslim Terrorist Fanatics are cowards--they are brave at sneak attacks, terror assults etc, but run like cowards at the first sight of a real one on one fight! Yes, we need to kick some Arab Muslim Fanatic Ass, but we also need to protect/secure our inner borders against further attacks that may come as a result of our conducting military action! We need to neutralize any weapons of mass destruction that these Arab Muslim Fanatics may possess!


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Jerry Chase
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Thanks for the list of books, Will. I'll be looking to find copies over the next few days.

I'm beginning to seriously wonder how much of this is actually related to Israel/Palestine though. I'm getting a distinct gut feeling that this whole attack might be much more related to Saddam and Iraq than anything else.

The currently popular mideast phrase "Never wound a king." fits exactly. The U.S. not only pummelled him and embarassed him during the Gulf War, but has kept reminding him how vulnerable he is, and how important air superiority is. If he had been killed or captured the conflict would be over. By allowing him to live, revenge has to be his greatest motivator.

Thinking of how spoiled kids can act in a family, getting other siblings to provoke or do dastardly deeds, I can't help but think that Saddam would be the instigator of such an attack against Uncle Sam (especially with the son of his old foe at the helm), using extremists as his foil, to avoid the immediate swift retribution he would otherwise get. Saddam has also been willing to try and use oddball tactics in his wars, which fits this scenario.

During all the time he has been denied air power over his own country, it has surely occurred to him how sweet it would be if he had air power over his tormentor, and his dreams of revenge have had ample time to develop. If I had to guess what his best wet dream was, this attack would come pretty darned close.


On a slightly different subject, I'm concerned how ponderous the political machanations are, trying to get everyone aligned before making a strike. Winning forces are able to make lightning decisions and lightning fast strikes. By being the big guy, and being worried about cries of "bully" in situations like this, we seem to put ourselves at a disadvantage. Here's hoping that what is being planned in retaliation is good.



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Will Kutler
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Your Welcome for the list of books, Jerry

Remember that during the Gulf War, the reason that saddam was not completely finished off was because of concern that the Alliance would fall apart--it was politics. During the war, yes, there were many--including Stormin' Norman--who wanted to finish off saddam but good!

Also keep in mind that the arabs are ruled by a band of wealthy fanatics "effendis" who keep their uneducated peasant populations in serfdom and can whip them into a political frenzy in a heartbeat! These are wealthy fanatics (oil) who do not care about life. They think that they have the world by the balls because of the Suez Canal and Oil. We should have let Israel keep the Suez Canal and we should go in militarily capture all of the oil and throw the arabs out of business. Also, some of the purest gold in the world comes from saudi.
Political assisination is common place in the arab world--they are a bunch of fanatic bastards!

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