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Author Topic: Sneak Preview Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-12-2003 10:44 AM                     Aaron do they go well with Newcastle Brown Ale ?  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 11-12-2003 01:28 PM                     I took a peek at the Plano 10 pictures and it looks much like ours before they added 4 more screens. How big is the largest auditorium? One thing notably different was that I did not see the highback purple seats. That's one thing I LOVE about our place. Oh so comfortable. AJG  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 11-12-2003 02:40 PM                        Dan Lyons wrote: quote: If you came to my house, you'd find the takeup spinning in that direction also. Screw whatever SMPTE has said, emulsion in is garbage and leads to warpage. <even a 1997 reel of polyester that I recieved that had been stored emulsion in still will not wind tight and flat emulsion out!> Remember, SMPTE Recommended Practice RP 39 that specified maintaining an emulsion-in winding orientation for optimum focus performance was based on TRIACETATE prints. Polyester prints have different curl characteristics, and retain "core set" longer.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-12-2003 03:03 PM                     I don't think it's a good idea to try to extrapolate platter experiences with winding orientation to 2000' reels. With platters there are significant issues with tension and evenness of winding that just don't come up with 2000' reels. It seems likely to me that focus stability is not necessarily tightly coupled to evenness of wind on platters. But running 2000' reels regularly, I've never seen an issue with winding orientation. I expect Steve K. and Steve G. and Bill G. will tell you the same. As such, it doesn't seem to be worth the pain of being nonstandard by reversing the takeup direction for no real benefit. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-12-2003 03:42 PM                     Looks like jhawk has never kept a print in his possession for any length of time and seen what emulsion in winding does to deform it, and instead is basing his post purely on having a print for a few weeks. That's not like you John.  |  IP: Logged Paul Mayer Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under! Posts: 3836 From: Albuquerque, NM Registered: Feb 2000 posted 11-12-2003 03:45 PM                        In my booth (where no one else operates) I would go with what Brad has done--emulsion-out to emulsion-out for polyester on reels. I would also go with emulsion-in to emulsion-in for triacetate on reels--ala the old European standard. But that's just me, in my own booth, with no worries about having to train anyone else on such apparent idiosyncrasies.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 11-12-2003 04:04 PM                        I have lots of triacetate stuff that has always been stored emulsion out. We watched that reel at Brads. No focus issues whatsoever. Previously that reel had been sitting there, emulsion out, for about 3 years. Some of the stuff on the reel is polyester.  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 11-12-2003 04:47 PM                     Post deleted so I dont look totally stupid  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-12-2003 04:59 PM                  Oh come on Chris...leave the post. All of us, including Joe, Daryl, myself, and especially Brad have posted stuff that makes us look really stupid. It is in all of our natures to be stupid! >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-12-2003 05:00 PM                        Note that I was just making fun of Brad, not questioning his statement that emulsion-out winding is better. Personally, I haven't seen much difference. Anyway, I store film (both acetate and polyester...don't have nitrate, thankfully) heads-out, emulsion-out for convenience and haven't had any problems. Still, as the relief guy for several different booths, I hate hate hate nonstandard things like backwards-spinning takeups. They may make a marginal improvement in presentation quality, but at the expense of thoroughly confusing any non-regular operator who runs the booth. This obviously isn't an issue in Brad's screening room (for the most part). If and when I have my own screening room (which will be soon if all goes well), I will run in standard "S-wind" configuration (emulsion out on feed reel and emulsion in on takeup reel).  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-12-2003 05:38 PM                     But Scott, when I come to your place and go to thread a film I'll screw it up! (Then I'll fix it! )  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 11-12-2003 05:49 PM                     Scott so young to be set in your ways When I was your age I used to work swing shifts in many booths....part of the routine was figuring the ( odd for me / normal for the regular operator )layout before I made a fool of myself on the screen.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-12-2003 06:55 PM                     Well at cinesphere we run the same thing day in and day out for our 35mm and the focus over a 6K reel is evener with emulsion in winding  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-13-2003 12:37 AM                     It's potentially a fair criticism, Brad. We don't run long engagements. On the other hand, we do have some film that we keep around tail-out emulsion-in polyester, but not very much, and not frequently run: generally shorts. They do not appear to show winding problems. Though in in Kodak's work with triacetate, focus stability improved with the number of runs. I would expect that to be true for polyester as well, even if it is more slow. You seem to stop short of a hard statement, though. Have you seen winding deformation on 2000' reels? Has anyone? As for focus instability, of course the question is not so much "is it there or not", but "how much is there?". With lenses of sufficient depth-of-field, presumably you can miss significant potential focus issues. So the scientific way to run this experiment is to find some way to measure focus error precisely and then compare both orientations on a system that can see them. John P., can you comment on the Preo/Yavitz measurement methodology? I was particularly disappointed that not only did they elect to not include the numerical ordinate-axis data, they did not really discuss how they measured focus shift. I suppose a measuring microscope might also be a useful tool here. Is there any chance of encouraging someone at Kodak to repeat the work with current ESTAR base films? Or has that been done and just not published? --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-13-2003 12:55 AM                     quote: You seem to stop short of a hard statement, though. Have you seen winding deformation on 2000' reels? Has anyone? YES! All the time.  |  IP: Logged

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