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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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...and you guys bought it from them! [Big Grin]

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William Hooper
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It's nice to get a couple hours' break.

I dunno what to tell you, it's astounding. Folks must look at the pictures of damage of MS on TV & think they're seeing the same area, but all the way across MS' coastal construction, houses, etc. is literally sawdust. For miles in after that it's just shredded, into central MS.

New Orleans & coastal LA have their own destruction profile due to flood the peculiar flood pathology there, but as folks who are familiar with hurricanes know the spread to the east of the eye is the meat grinder. It extended to Pensacloa, FL, destroying concrete tresteled state highways, etc.

I've seen photos of homes after hurricanes in other low areas with water up to or past the 1st floor windows & a caption of "submerged homes", but in the outlying areas of New Orlean (up to sizeable Slidell, LA, etc.) there are aerial photos of blocks of houses *actually* submerged, looking like Monopoly houses at the bottom of a pool.

Mobile had heavy damage but it's a major metro area closest in to MS, & it's becoming a staging area with parking lots of malls, shopping centers, etc. filliing with equipment trying to get west into MS & refugees who were trying to go back & can go no further.

Joe Redifer is trying to do triage on a gag that failed out becuase the setup was wrong: New Orleans was not built below sea level. The levees were built to stave off water from floods of the MS river & lake Pontchartrain, but the result over time is that they created channels diverting the silt which maintains the coastline. As a result subsidence occurred, & the area began to slowly move below sea level. The best now is to try to divert that type of schematic gag to port & coastal cities should not be built or inhabited.

There's an ironic picture taken in Mobile during the storm at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumis/38580827/
It would likely have been taken about 9am, because the water got much higher. A TV station got a feed during the storm from the Alabama Department of Transportation cameras (which I didn't now existed) mounted on buildings in downtown Mobile until they failed; the shot I saw was of about 14' of water with windblown whitecaps running solidly about 10' apart through downtown Mobile. It didn't look choppy, it looked like a whitewater river.

The refugee situation is monstrous. The outpoor from hugely populated New Orleans is mindboggling, but the displacement of the homeless from the lower half of MS is flooding everything around with people: people are being evacuated from the Superdome in NOLA to the Astrodome in TX, Memphis TN is starting to strain, Mobile & Alabama further north are clogging with people.

Leo got a good overview of some of the public pre-storm perception, the MS folks did not understand how bad it would be if the storm hit New Orleans. MS EMA & the media fell down in getting people to evacuate, RIGHT AFTER Ivan which hit Gulf Shores AL but ground Pensacola & even more easterly FL communities for hours befored & during Ivan to a flattened disaster area. MS EMA in (I think) Harrison county swam out from their buliding in life preservers during the storm, a damning comedwown from Camille when they made sure people got out.

Can't contact folks via cell phone for the most part if they had MS or LA area codes, even if they evacuated. Just yesterday afternoon I got hold of some NOLA folks on cell phone who had evacuated to Gonzales, LA & then to Beaumont, TX. Communications are practically impossible, except for satellite phones.

My brother is in Miami & told me right after Katrina went through there that Richard Fowler did NOTHING to stop this hurricane, thinking only of himself by putting masking tape X's over the lenses of his spectacles. My disappointment in Richard Fowler is a little high right now.

A TV truck got through to someplace in MS Wednesday & shot back a community that is literally dying of thirst: National Guard had not yet got in, if water distribution points had been setup they didn't know because all local radio & TV are down & MS EMA was so screwed that they either had nothing for them or didn't get the info to AL broadcasters to put on the air so the MS residents could get it. And AL radio & TV have been SCREAMING to MS EMA to get them emergency info. Yesterday afternoon, some Biloxi MS radio got back up, but I think they're just re-transmitting a TV feed from MS somewhere via a tuner at the xmtr site.

As for what's going on in NOLA, flyover & surviving mass media that was in place before the storm is all you get. The only route in not obliterated is now through Baton Rouge LA, & NOLA is locked down to everyone except emergency services anyway. What trickles in is horrifying.

On & on. Haven't heard from too many people.

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Jennifer Pan
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Damn... I've been really out of the loop... I don't watch TV... and to hear about this from here... then to see the gas prices shoot up... Jeez...

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Richard Fowler
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I have been through many hurricanes in Florida and the Caribbean and switched to shatterproof eyeglasses years ago [Razz]

Category one for Miami should of not caused so much damage to power and telephone in our region. Rapid growth and cost cutting on upgrades and maintinence was obvious. We had a snapped transmission line pole to our office which ripped out our power riser and meter panels off the building...we had been waiting for two years for the pole to be replaced. The emergency power crews from Mississippi where great....sad what they have in store when they go home.

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Mark J. Marshall
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Is it unreasonable to expect our federal government to just call, I don't know, Greyhound, and say "We need EVERY available bus in New Orleans right now." And where are the Army troop transports, the school buses from neighboring towns, etc? And why bus them all the way to Houston? Is there no train track between the two cities? Bus them to a train station, and load up a few trains full of people and get them moving somewhere. If not Houston, somewhere else - anywhere else.

Why was I continually looking at busses sitting parked in front of the Super Dome this morning? I don't want to hear about traffic jams tying up the busses. Clear the fuckin highway and get those things in gear. A few gun shots go off, and the whole process comes to a halt. Huh? Get the fuckin process moving already! This is embarassing. [Mad] [Mad] [Mad] [Mad] [Mad]

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Tim Reed
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Btw, what moron fires a gun at someone in a helicopter who's trying to rescue you? I wouldn't go in after someone like that, either. The ignorant bastards.

The question that should be asked is not, 'where are the rescuers,' but, 'why didn't they evacuate, when they had DAYS to do so?' A category 5 hurricane is bearing down on you, you live 12 ft. below sea level, and you don't consider LEAVING when a mandatory evacuation is ordered?! I know there are unfortunates and those who cannot help themselves, but realize that many of the people whining today are probably the same people who were on the news the other day saying, "We gonna ride it out. Ivf Goahd want us to die, den we gonna die."

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Joseph L. Kleiman
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In the midst of all the turmoil, debris, shooting and looting, NPR reports the following:

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R&B legend Fats Domino was missing Thursday, days after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans, according to his long-time agent Al Embry. Embry told The Associated Press that he hadn't been able to contact the 77-year-old Domino since talking to him Sunday evening by phone. Domino had told Embry that he planned to stay at his house in New Orleans' low-lying 9th Ward with his wife, Rosemary, and their daughter.

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John Pytlak
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Fats Domino Rescued

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(CNN) -- Rock 'n' roll pioneer Fats Domino was among the thousands of New Orleans residents plucked from rising floodwaters, his daughter said Thursday.

Karen Domino White, who lives in New Jersey, identified her father in a picture taken Monday night by a New Orleans Times-Picayune photographer.

The photograph shows Domino -- the singer behind the 1950s hits "Ain't That a Shame" and "Blueberry Hill" -- being helped off a boat near his home in the city's Lower 9th Ward.

His whereabouts since the rescue were not immediately known. Nor was there any information about his wife, Rosemary, friends said.

The neighborhood was heavily flooded when a levee failed as Katrina slammed into southeastern Louisiana and the Mississippi Gulf Coast.

Thousands are feared dead in the storm, Louisiana's governor and the mayor of New Orleans have said, though no official tally has been compiled.

White said she last heard from her father August 23, four days before the storm hit, and was unable to contact him Sunday.

"I didn't have any information. I was just praying," she said.

Writer Charles Amann said he last spoke to Domino on Sunday, and the singer refused to join the evacuation that was then under way.

"He said to me, in that wonderful Southern accent of his, that no, he was staying on -- that he had gone through the last one and he could go through this one," said Amann, who is working on a book on the early days of the "American Bandstand" television program.

Many of those evacuated from the Lower 9th Ward were taken to the Louisiana Superdome and are being transferred to the Astrodome sports stadium in Houston, Texas.

Alan Warner, an EMI Music executive, also saw the photograph of Domino's rescue. But he said he did not know where the 77-year-old singer, born Antoine Domino, was taken afterward.

"But the fact that he actually was rescued is just so gratifying," Warner said.


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Jim Ziegler
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quote: David Stambaugh
I haven't heard anything about other nations offering to rush money, supplies or other assistance to us. Guess they must all be preoccupied with other things.
Several nations have offered assistance - most notibily our European allies, the members of the OAS, Russia, and Japan. I beleive China offered assistance as well. I don't know how the people in NO would react to foriegn troops assisting with the evacuations, and, with the situation, I don't know if putting foriegn troops on the ground would do anything but cause a field day in the press when one of them had to shoot someone.

quote: Mark J. Marshall
Is it unreasonable to expect our federal government to just call, I don't know, Greyhound, and say "We need EVERY available bus in New Orleans right now." And where are the Army troop transports, the school buses from neighboring towns, etc? And why bus them all the way to Houston? Is there no train track between the two cities? Bus them to a train station, and load up a few trains full of people and get them moving somewhere. If not Houston, somewhere else - anywhere else.

Realize Mark, a great deal of the train tracks, trains, busses, Search and Rescue choppers, militart equipment, etc in the area were damaged or destroyed by Katrina. Last I heard, there was still an air force base down in that area that was offline and unabel to be reached by radio. Its easy to say "lets to this" or "lets do that" but logistically, some of these things take time and there was very little warning to prepare. I would think that the reason they are taking them to houston is that a lot of other cities in the area are having issues of their own and Houston is willing to absorb that many refugees.

quote: Tim Reed
Btw, what moron fires a gun at someone in a helicopter who's trying to rescue you? I wouldn't go in after someone like that, either. The ignorant bastards.

At that point, the military should just start escorting the Blackhawks with gunships..

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The question that should be asked is not, 'where are the rescuers,' but, 'why didn't they evacuate, when they had DAYS to do so?' A category 5 hurricane is bearing down on you, you live 12 ft. below sea level, and you don't consider LEAVING when a mandatory evacuation is ordered?!
The way I understood it, there was less than 24 hours notice and the highwyas leading out of town were traveling at all of 5 miles per hour.

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Mike Heenan
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I saw the governor or senator from one of those states on CNN today and he was saying how he waso n the tv daily before the hurricane struck, begging people to get out of town, so there was more than 24 hrs notice.

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Gordon McLeod
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Canada yesterday offered any assistance required including military (peacekeepers) and have relief supplies ready but the offer was turned down for the moment
According to todays news all military services were put on a readiness alert if assistance is required
Ontario Hydro has offered our emergancy cres to get power lines back up

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John Pytlak
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The Association of Moving Image Archivists (AMIA) is organizing to help rewash and dry any irreplacable film footage that has been flooded:

Here's what to do with wet film:

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/technical/storage_room.jhtml?id=0.1.4.11.12.10&lc=en#water

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Water Damage
Another hazard for film that can significantly shorten its life is water from floods, fire fighting, burst pipes, leaky roofs, or other such sources. (And yet, if it wasn't for water, the film could not have been processed.) You can keep water damage to a minimum through quick salvage actions. Since very few motion picture laboratories offer film cleaning services for water(and mud ) damaged film, a salvage job is usually a do it yourself project as mentioned in the following steps and requires manual skill, patience, and a lot of improvising.

1. Keep the roll of film wet. If the film dries, the convolutions may be stuck together, ruining the film. For holding wet or muddy films prior to the cleaning operation, immerse the roll completely in containers of cold water, below 18°C (65°F). The cold water will help prevent both swelling and softening of the emulsion, which are the major causes of damage.

2. With the roll completely submerged underwater, gently rub the edges of the film to remove most of the mud and silt. Make frequent water changes.

3. Unwind the wet film carefully and slowly. Pass the strand of film under running water to remove any remaining mud or silt. In extreme cases, a gentle scrubbing action with a cotton swab may be needed to remove stubborn particles. Be careful in swabbing the film because the wet emulsion is very susceptible to physical damage. From the running water, pass the film through a tank containing water and a laundry or dishwater type of water softening solution to minimize spotting. Avoid any sudden temperature changes in the wash waters.

4. Drape the film carefully on a wash line to air dry. Try to keep the drying area dust free and avoid any surface contact to the wet emulsion side of the film. When the film is dry, clean and lubricate it by hand with a suitable film cleaner, as you wind it onto a reel. The ideal way to recondition water damaged film would be to have it go through a normal motion picture processing machine while using the proper solutions for the particular damaged films. One of the companies that restores or rejuvenates films may be able to help you.


Kodak offers "Disaster Recovery" services for users of Kodak microfilm products:

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/dpq/site/TKX/name/sellSheetDisasterRecovery

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Protect your information. And your bottom line.

Prepare for the worst by using our best--KODAK Microfilm. Even today, microfilm continues to be a low-cost, low-risk method of managing information and financial transactions and is the media of choice for secure, information storage. But are you prepared if something happens to your microfilm and you need to restore your images? If you use KODAK Microfilm, and meet all program requirements, you're protected--thanks to our unique Disaster Recovery Program. In most cases, we can rescue and restore your damaged film --absolutely free of charge.


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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Unfortnately much of the poulation in New Orleans is USED to living on welfare and expects to be catered to and alwaya is looking for a handout, its a way of life down there that has gone on way too long. Hence there are a large number of folks that DON'T know how to do anything for themselves at all, so they loot, shoot, and steal what ever thay can. They are not smart enough to know that very likely they will never be able to use the TV that they just took. Now on the other hand. If it takes stealing food and water to survine you've got to do what you've got to do, but stealing merchandise like TV sets and shooting at rescuers is something that is going to take the military to control. Unfortunately with folks like that which have no values and don't even know how to comprehend to value an education let alone get one imposing martial law is ust about necessary. Of course we SHOULD blame our Government and the State of Lousiana for the breaching of the levees AND the oil companies for locating so many critical refineries in an area of that high a risk. There is simply no excuse for the flooding to have even happened on this scale and it DIDN't have to and wouldn't have happened if there were wise folk in the Government.

Mark

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Gordon McLeod
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Mark said "if there were wise folk in the Government."
that has as much probablity of happening as finding "military intelligence"
Those who can can those who can't become politicians
[Big Grin]

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Phil Hill
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I was watching a clip of the New Orleans' mayor whining and crying on how the federal and LA state government have not done anything/enough to help that city. What an asshole!

He's blaming EVERYONE ELSE for HIS mismanagement of this whole sad situation and HIS (and his predecessor's) lack of disaster planning and emergency contingencies for a cataclysmic disaster that would ultimately come.

They have known for years that the city is prone to hurricanes AND FLOODS and should have planned ahead instead of yapping and passing the buck. The responsibility for the chaos, deaths, and civil disorder rests SOLELY on HIM and his administration!

"Fail to plan, plan to fail"

As far as the looters, that's a real hard call in this extraordinary and unprecedented situation. My 1st thought and inclination is to shoot them on sight... which I would do without hesitation IF they came on MY property.

However, one does have to cut them some slack ***IF*** they are looting stores and stealing food (which would go bad anyway) to survive. Even those that are taking shelves of food and electronics and Nike shoes may be taking them to "bargain" for food later. But, how can ya tell? It's impossible! (I am in NO way defending the looters...just commenting on the situation.)

But, there is NO excuse for those thugs running ramped that are shooting, raping (even kids), and beating-up people. Those ***assholes*** should be shot and killed on sight, and permanently taken out of the gene pool. Let their sorry asses float in the flood waters along with all the ***innocents*** that have died. I sincerely feel sorry for the "good" people and citizens that, by no choice of their own, have to endure this devastating disaster. Their/our government has failed them AND US!

Just MY 2-cents... It's a F*UCKING good thing I ain't "in charge"!

Flame off.

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